Defense of the Translations of the Scriptures into the English Tongue
CHAP. 17.
Heretical translations against the blessed Sacrament, and Sacrifice, and Altar.
NOW let us see concerning the Eucharist, which they allow for a Sacrament, how they handle the matter to the disgracing and defacing of the same also. They take away the operation and efficacy of Christ's blessing pronounced upon the bread and wine, making it only a thanksgiving to God: and to this purpose they translate more gladly, thanks-giving then, blessing▪ as Mat. 26. the Greek words being two, the one signifying properly, to bless: the other, to give thanks: they translate both thus, when he had given thanks. Likewise Marc. 14. in the Bible printed 1562. And when they translate it, blessing, they mean nothing else but giving thanks, as Beza telleth us in his Annotations Mat. 26. ver. 26. We reply and by most manifest Scripture prove unto them, that the former Greek word doeth not signify thanks giving properly, but blessing, and a blessing of creatures to the operation of some great effect in them: as when Christ took the five loaves and two fishes, to multiply them, he blessed them Luc. 9. What say they to this think you? Doth not the Greek word here plainly signify, blessing of creatures? No, (saith Beza) no doubt but here also it signifieth giving thanks. Howe Beza? he addeth, Not as though Christ had given thanks to the bread, for that were too absurd: but we must mollify this interpretation thus, that he gave thanks to God the father for the loaves and the fishes. Is not this a notable exposition of these words, benedixit eis?
FULK. 1
THE Sacrament of the body & blood of Christ being a matter of some great weight & controversy between us, you might not omit but note our false translations against it. But because we have dealt so sincerely as malice hath nothing to blame therein, you must fain a quarrel and forge a controversy where none is between us, namely, that we take away Christ's blessing pronounced upon the bread and wine making it only a thanksgiving unto God: which is a false and impudent slander, as in that which followeth concerning this matter most plainly shall appear even by testimony of him whom you do most slander in this case. But let us see what fault is in our translation. Math. 26. and Ma • . 14. two of our translations for 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 say, when he had given thanks. To this I answer, that Beza telleth you that in seven Greek copies the word is 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , which signifieth giving of thanks, without controversy, as also 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 doth, but not only so expressing rather the Hebrew word 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 which signifieth both to bless, and to give thanks. But seeing Saint Luke and S. Paul reporting the institution of the supper do use the word 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 which signifieth giving of thanks: we count them the best interpretors of the other two Evangelists which plainly teache us that by blessing they mean giving of thanks, or that the Greek word doeth here signify giving of thanks as in many other places. The place Luke. 9. where Christ blessed the loaves is also interpreted by S. John who reporting the same miracle (as Beza showeth) useth the word which signifieth only thanks giving, but because 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 is in Luke used as a verb transitiue, which cannot signify thanks giving or prayer made to the creatures, we must understand, that he blessed the loaves, that is he gave thanks to God for them, and with all prayed, that so small a quantity of bread and fish might feed so great a multitude, and that this whole feast might be referred to the glory of God. This is Beza's interpretation, which because it was too long for your quarrel you cut off the better part of it, and like a grinning hypocrite scoff at a piece as though it were the whole exposition of these words henedixit eis he blessed them.
MART. 2. We ask him in the like cases, when God blessed Adam and Eve, Gen. 1. & 9. Noah and his children, saying, Increase and multiply: when he blessed the children of Israel, and they multiplied exceedingly, when he blessed the latter things of Job more than the first, Job. 42. Was this also a giving of thanks, and not an effectual blessing upon these creatures? What will they say, or what difference will they make? As God blessed here, so he was God and man that blessed the loaves and fishes there. If they will say he did it as man, and therefore it was a giving of thanks to God his father: to omit that he blessed them as he multiplied them, that is, rather according to his divine nature than human: we ask them, when he blessed as man, was it always giving of thanks? he blessed the little children, he blessed his disciples, when he ascended: was this giving thanks for them, as Beza expoundeth his blessing of the loaves and fishes? When we bless the table or the meat upon the table, When S. Paul saith, 1. Timoth. 4. all meat is lawful that is sanctified by the word and by prayer: is all this nothing but giving thanks? So saith Beza in express words.
FULK. 2. When I see those often most impudent invectives against Beza and other, I muse with myself whether you have read Beza, and the other yourself, or whether you give credit to some malicious caviller who is set on work to pick quarrels out of other men's writings to serve your turn. But when I consider all circumstances of every place, and namely howe you object against Beza, that which he saith of the blessing or consecrating of our ordinary meats and drinks, I think it is not like but that you have read the places yourself. And then of all that ever I knew, I must esteem you the furthest from sincerity & honest dealing, that so often, so openly, so confidently, so purposedly commit so vile and shameful forgery. Beza saith that our meat is sanctified by the word of God and prayer and thanksgiving. For the 1. Tim. 4. the Apostle joineth both as here Luke 9. we must join both together. For partly for the meat given to us thanks is given to God: partly petition is made that we may use it purely and soberly, that we may spend the rest of our life in the worship of God. Heereof it cometh that Christians are said to bless the table, and to consecrate the table, whereas yet this blessing pertaineth not to the meats themselves, but to God rather, and them that shall be partakers of them. But in the cup of blessing which we bless (as it is written. 1. cor. 10. v. 16.) although the word of blessing may be expounded after the same manner, yet the ende of the blessing is altogether diverse, as in due place we shall expound. These are the words of Beza. Is all this nothing but giving of thanks?
MART. 3 We go forward, and prove the contrary yet more manifestly, in the very matter of the blessed Sacrament, for the which they multiply all the foresaid absurdities. We tell them that Saint Paul saith thus, The chalice of blessing, which we bless, is it not, &c. howe could he speak more plainly, that the chalice or cup (meaning that in the cup) is blessed? Which S. Cyprian de Coen. Dom. explicateth thus, Calix solenni benedictione sacratus, The Chalice consecrated by solemn blessing. Oecumenius thus▪ The Chalice which blessing we prepare. that is, which we bless and so prepare, for so it must signify, and not as Beza would have it, which with thanks giving we prepare. and that I prove by his own words immediately before, where he saith that the Greek word being used of the Apostle transitiuely, that is, with a case following, cannot signify giving thanks. Howe then can it so signify in Oecumenius words, who doeth interpret the Apostles meaning by the Apostles own words and phrase? yea (that you may note a notorious contradiction) how doeth Beza then in the place of Luke before alleged (where the same Greek word is a plain transitiue as in this place) expound is of giving thanks for the bread and fishes? A liar (they say) must be mindful, to make his tale agree in every point. He that before forced the word in every sentence to be nothing else but thanks giving▪ even when it was a plain transitiue, now confesseth that he never read it in that signification, when it is a transitiue. and so we have that the blessing of the cup or of the bread, is not giving thanks as they either translate, or interpret it.
FULK. 3. I must continue my admiration of your impudence, for Beza saith expressly in this place 1. cor. 10. that to bless here is to sanctify or consecrate, because that the ordinance of God being rehearsed and set forth the bread and wine are appointed to this holy use, that they should be the sacraments of the true and natural body and blood of Christ, that is the signs & pledges thereof, & that in such sort, y t the same thing which is signified, is offered to us to be received spi ritually. And because this whole actiō is joined with the praise of God, & solemn thanksgiving, therefore I esteem y t S. Paul signified this whole matter in the verb 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 . So y t in my judgment Oecumenius hath plainly & briefly expounded 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , that is which w t praise & thanksgiving we prepare. Which I admonish, (lest any man should think y t by the term of consecration, we mean any magical incantatiō.) That you would prove by Beza's words, y t he hath not justly explicated y e mea ning of Oecumenius, it is too too beyond all measure of impudēce. For Beza not contrarying y t which he said before, showeth how the cup is blessed, sanctified, consecrated, namely by prayer, praise of God, & thanksgiving. For which he citeth Chrysostō who expoundeth these words of S. Paul (which we bless) to mean which we receive with thanksgiving. As for y c place of S. Luke 9. Beza himself citeth it, & many other like, to prove that 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 w t an accusative case signifieth to bless, to sanctify, to consecrate, as also in y t place Luke. 9. he expoundeth it. And yet you will make him a liar, forgetting what tale he told before. In deed y t rule you give, is meet for a crafty liar, that hath some care to maintain his credit. But such an impudent liar & shameless forger as you are, hath no regard of anything, but to deceive them whose ignorance and simplicity is such as they neither can, nor care to examine your slanders.
MART. 4 And surely in the word 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 this is most evident, that it signifieth in this case the blessing & consecration of the creature or element: in so much that S. Basil & S. Chrysostom in their Liturgies or Masses say thus by the same Greek word: Bless o Lord the sacred bread. & Bless o Lord the sacred cup. & why or to what effect? It followeth, changing it by the holy spirit. Where is signified the transmutation and consecration thereof into the body and blood. But in the other word 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 there may be some question, because it signifieth properly to give thanks, & therefore may seem to be referred to God only, and not to the element, and, creature. But this also we find contrary in the Greek fathers, who use this word also transitiuely, saying, panem & calicem eucharistisatos, or, panem in quo gratiae actae sunt. that is the bread and the cup made the Eucharist: the bread over which thanks are given: that is, which by the word of prayer, and thanks-giving is made a consecrated meat, the flesh and blood of Christ, as S. Justin in fine 2. Apologo, and Saint Irenaeus, lib. 4. 34 in the same places, expound it. Whereas it may also signify that, for which thanks are given in that most solemn sacrifice of the Eucharist, as S. Deny • in one place seemeth to take it. Eccl. Hier. c. 3. in fine. Who in the self same chapter, speaketh of the consecration thereof, most evidently.
FULK. 4. That the creatures, or elements, are blessed, and consecrated, that by the working of God's spirit, they should be changed into the body and blood of Christ, after a divine and spiritual manner, unto the worthy receyuers, Beza, and we agree with the Greek Liturgies. But that this blessing is performed by the word of God, prayer, and thanks-giving, both Justinus, and Irenaeus, do most plainly testify with Beza, and us. When the mixed cup, and bread, saith Irenaeus, receiveth the word of God, it is made the Eucharist, &c. The bread on which, or for which, thanks is given. The bread which is of the earth, receiving the vocation, or invocation of God. So saith Justinus, the meat for which thanks are given▪ by the word of prayer, which is received from him, and speaking of the very manner of the consecration, used in his time. When the bread, and wine, with water, is offered: the chief Minister sendeth forth prayers, and thanks-giving, with all his might, and the people consenteth, saying, Amen. Then followeth the distribution, and participation of those things, for which thanks was given to everyone, &c. As for the Magicall mysteries of Dionyse, although in this behalf, they make nothing against us, we make not so great account of, that we will stand to his judgment anymore, than you to his practice.
MART. 5. Whereby we have to note, that the Heretics in urging the word, Eucharist, as mere thanks-giving, thereby to take away blessing, and consecration, of the elements of bread and wine, do unlearnedly, and deceitfully. because all the fathers make mention of both: Saint Paul also calleth it, blessing of the chalice, which the Evangelists call, giving of thanks. Whose words Theophylacte explicateth thus. THE CHALICE OF BLESSING, that is, of the Eucharist. For holding it in our hands, we bless it, and give thanks to him that shed his blood for us. See here both blessing, and Eucharist, blessing the chalice, and thanks-giving to Christ. Saint James, and the Greek fathers in their Liturgies, put both words in the consecration of eche element, saying thus, give thanks, sanctifying, breaking: and, giving thanks, blessing, sanctifying: and, taking the cup, giving thanks, sanctifying, blessing, filling it with the holy Ghost, he gave it to us his Disciples. Saint Chrysostom, who in many places of his works speaketh much of thanks-giving in these holy mysteries, doth he not as often speak of the blessing, consecration, yea, and the transmutation thereof, and that with what words, and by what power it is done? Doth not Saint Augustine say of the same, benedicitur, & sanctificatur, it is blessed, and sanctified, who often speaketh of the solemn giving of thanks in the sacrifice of the Church? Doth not the Church at this day, use the very same terms, as in Saint Augustine's time, Gratias agamus Domino Deo nostro, Let us give thanks to the Lord our God. and, Vere dignum & iustum est, semper & vbique tibi gratias agere, &c. It is very meet and right, always, and in all places, to give thee thanks: Which the Greek Church also in their Liturgies express most abundantly? yet doth there follow blessing, and consecration, and whatsoever Saint Ambrose describeth to be done in this holy sacrifice, touching this point, writing thereof moste excellently in his book, de ijs qui initiantur mysterijs, c 9.
FULK. 5. If it were to prove anything that we deny, you would be as bare and hungry, as now you are frank and plentiful of your testimonies. Theophylact saith the same that Beza said out of Chrysostom, and Oecumenius. The Greek Liturgies, falsely entitled to Saint James, Basil, and Chrysostom, have no other thing: nor any other author whom you name. But your popish Church, doth not, either as the Greek Liturgies, or as the Churches in Ambrose and Augustine's time. For they hold, that the elements are consecrared by prayer, and thanks-giving, whereof, although you use some terms in your mass, yet you hold, that the consecration consisteth only in a Magicall murmuration of the words, Hoc est corpus meum, over the bread by a Priest, with intent of consecration, wherefore you are far from the judgment that the ancient fathers had, and we have, of the consecration of the bread and wine, to be the sacraments of the body and blood of Christ.
MART. 6. Of all which, this is the conclusion, that the Eucharist is a solemn name, taken of the word 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , so called, because this sacrament and sacrifice, is blessed, and consecrated with prayer, & thanks-giving, as S. Justin speaketh, and because in this sacrifice, so blessed and consecrated into the body and blood of Christ, him we offer up a most acceptable oblation of thanks-giving, and a memory of all God's marvelous benefits toward us. In this sense, the fathers, and the holy Church, speak of the Eucharist, including all the rest, to wit, sacrament, sacrifice, blessing, & consecration, without which thi • were no more to be called Eucharist, than any other common giving of thanks, as S. Irenaeus doth plainly signify, when he declareth, that being before bread, & receiving the invocation of God over it, now is no more common bread, but the Eucharist, consisting of two things, the earthly, & the heavenly. So that it is made the Eucharist by circumstance of solemn words, and ceremonies, and therefore is not a mere giving of thanks: and further we learn, that S. Iustines, and S. Irenaus words before alleged, Panis & calix Eucaristisatus, signify, the bread and chalice made the Eucharist: and consequently we learn, that the a 〈…〉 e thereof, is, by thanks-giving to make the Eucharist. a 〈…〉 • ecause the other word of blessing, and this of thanks-giving, are used indifferently, one for another, in Christ's action, about this Sacrament, we learn undoubtedly, that when it is said, 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , or, 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , the meaning is, blessing, and giving thanks, he made the Eucharist of his body and blood, that is the Sacrament and Sacrifice of a singular thanks-giving, which (as S. Augustine often is wont to say) the faithful only do know and understand in the sacrifice of the Church: and because the faithful only understand, therefore the Protestants and Calvinists are so ignorant in this mystery, that to take away all the dignity thereof, they bend both their expositions and translations.
FULK. 6. That the elements are blessed, and consecrated by prayer, and thanks-giving, as Justin, Irenaeus, and other ancient fathers write, it is the thing that we contend for. But you (except you be a Schismatike from all other Papists) do teache, that they are consecrated by these words, pronounced by a Priest, this is my body: which are words neither of prayer, nor of thanks giving. Nevertheless, to prick us with a pin, you have wounded yourself with a sword, and say the sacrament is blessed, and consecrated with prayer, and thanks▪ giving. Except you have some Sophisticall meaning, that it is consecrated with them, but not by them. The signification of the active, which you gather out of the passive, used by Justinus, showeth what a learned Clerke you are, Justinus writeth to the Gentiles, or Heathen men, of whom he could not have been understood, if he had not used the passive, 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , in that signification, that all other men did use it in, in that time. What we understand of the mystery of the Lord's supper, and the sacrifice of prayer and thanks giving, which is the only sacrifice of Christians, as Justinus writeth, the Church of God doth acknowledge, though the synagogue of Antichristian heretics will not confess it.
MART. 7. After they have turned blessing or consecration into bare thanks giving, which is one step toward the denying of the real presence, they come nearer, and so include Christ in heaven, that he cannot be withal upon the alter, translating thus, Whome heaven must contain, until the times that all things be restored, Acts. 3. v. 21. and yet Beza worse, and he that allege • h him, M. Whitaker's: who must be contained in heaven. Which is so far from the Greek, that, not only Illyricus the Lutheran, but Calvin himself doth not like it. Beza protesteth, that he so translateth of purpose, to keep Christ's presence from the altar: and we marvel the less, because we are well acquainted with many the like his impudent Protestations. M. Whitak. only we do marvel at, that he should be either so deceived by another man's translation, or himself be so overseen in the Greek word, that he knoweth not a mere deponent, and only deponent, from a passive.
FULK. 7. The answer to this cavil is at large contained, Cap. 1. sect. 36. your own translation is▪ whom heaven must receive. If there be now such difference between, receiving, and containing▪ capere and recipere it is very strange to learned ears, howsoever sottishe Papists will accept whatsoever proceedeth from you. But forasmuch, as this section, with two other following, are directed principally against Master Whitaker's, I shall need to say little, seeing he hath fully answered for himself. This one thing I may say, concerning his knowledge in the Greek tongue, which you make to be so small, that he knoweth not a deponent from a passive, he is well known to be so well learned therein, that many of your Seminary may marvel at him as you say, but neither you, nor any of you all is able to match him therein.
MART. 8. This doth not become him that objecteth ignorance of the Greek to another man, and that after he had well tried by public conference, that he was not ignorant: and so objecteth it, as though • he knew not three words in that tongue, whereas he had heard him read and interpreate Saint Basil, not the easiest of the Greek Doctors. This is palpable impudency, and a face that cannot blush, and full of malice against the saints of God, who, if they knew not a word in the Greek tongue, were never the worse, nor the less learned, but among fools and children, that esteem learning by such trifles, which Grammarians know far better than great Divines. For, were not he awise man that would prefer one Maiser Humfrey, Master Fulke▪ Master Whitaker's, or some of us poor men, because we have a little smack in the three tongues, before Saint Chrysostom, Saint Basil, Saint Augustine, saint Gregory, or saint Thomas, that understood well, none but one? howbeeit, if they esteem learning by knowledge of the tongues, they will not (I trow) compare with Catholics, either of former time, or of these latter age, specially since their new Gospel began: and if they will compare with us herein for their simple credit, we may perhaps give them occasion ere it be long, to muster their men all at once, if they dare show their face before our campe of excellent Hebricians, Grecians, Latinistes, of absolute linguistes in the Chaldee, Syriac, Arabike, &c. whom they must needs confess to have been, and to be, even at this day, their Masters and teachers.
FULK. 8. It becometh you that have caste off all fear of God, and duty to your Prince, to caste off all civil honesty; and human modesty also. If you speak of such matters▪ as you might not be controlled in them▪ yet, if you forbear the truth, it were somewhat tolerable. But when you speak of Campions learning in the Greek tongue, wherein you may be so manifestly convicted by hundreds of witnesses, you stop the way from any credit to be given you in other matters. All Oxford knew, that Campion was no Graecian, when he departed from that University. His time spent in Ireland, and other places, where he travailed, would not yield him great knowledge since his departure, except he had wholly applied it, which he could not do, nor any other serious study in such sort as he traueiled in diverse places. But admit he might have knowledge by extraordinary means or miracle if you will, howe shall he be tried, but by reading and understanding that which greatly concerneth his cause, in disputation and conference. You said he did read and interpret Saint Basil, not the easiest of the Greek Doctors. I was not present at that conference, and therefore have the less to say: But I myself making trial of his skill. by a place of Epiphanius, both read it to him, and offering him the book, he understood no more the matter thereof, than if I had cited it in the Arabic, or Persian language. And therefore, upon the acknowledging of his dissembled ignorance, with great laughter of the hearers, I was content to expound it to him in English, before I could receive any answer to the argument taken from that authority. Wherefore, I verily think, and am certainly persuaded, that if he pretended to interpret anything out of Saint Basil, it was altogether by artificial conjecture, either of the place which he knew, and had read in Latin, or else by surmising of someone common word▪ he gathered what the sense of the whole should be. Indeed▪ if he had never known a word of Greek▪ although he had been no meet man to challenge a whole realm to disputation: yet he might have been an honest man, and otherwise meanly learned, so he had not pretended knowledge. when he was in a manner altogether ignorant. For mine own parte, though it please you to name me with Master Humfrey, Master Whitaker's, and others, I never took upon me but a mean knowledge in the tongues, neither desire I in comparison to be preferred before any learned man, whose travails have been profitable to the Church, although he were ignorant in the tongues. Yet, this I must freely say, that he which shall profess to be an absolute learned divine, without the knowledge of three tongues, at the lease, may think well of himself, but hardly he shall get and retain the credit he seeketh amoung learned men in this learned age. And therefore Campion, if disputation had been meant rather than sedition, for all his arrogance and impudence, was an unmeet Apostle to be sent from Gregory of Rome, to challenge all the wise and learned in England. Neither do I say this, as though I measured all learning by knowledge of the tongues, but wherein soever any Papist in the world, shall be bold to challenge the name of learning, in any knowledge, that ever was, or is accounted good learning, God be praised, there are many of God's true Catholic Church, whereof we are members, able to match them therein. That I say not to excel them. And whereas you would make us beholding to Papists for such knowledge, as any of us hath in the Greek, Hebrew, Syriac, Chaldee▪ Arabic tongues, &c. It is well known, the Papists are more beholding to us. And although I confess, that some Papists of late days, have bestowed fruitful pains, in setting forth some of the orientall tongues: yet are they not the first, nor all that have traueiled profitably that wai • . But many have attained to competent skill in those languages many years before any Papists had written any thing that might further them therein. You were wont to bear ignorant men in hand, that we were a sight of English Doctors, understanding no languages but our mother tongue, which hath enforced diverse men to show their skill in the tongues, which otherwise they would never have openly professed. But now that the world seeth, to your shame, how richly God hath blessed us, with the knowledge, and interpretation of diverse tongues, you exprobrate to us our knowledge in the tongues, and traduce us among the ignorant, as though we esteemed all learning by knowledge of tongues, and that we were but mere Grammarians, & often tell us of that stale jest, that the kingdom of Grammarians is paste, as though it were but a little Grammar, whereof we make a show. But for that general muster which you threaten to drive us unto, ere it be long, if you come as learned men should do, armed with books, pen, ink, and paper, I doubt not by the grace of God, but you shall find them that dare confront you, and chase you out of the field also. But if you come under the Popes banner with such blessing, as he sent lately into Ireland, I hope you shall be met with all, as those his champions were, and find that promotion for your good service, which you have long ago deserved by your travails for upholding of his kingdom.
MART. 9. But to return to you M. Whitaker's, greater is your fault in divinity, than in the tongues, when you make your argument against the real presence out of this place, as out of the Scripture and S. Peter, whereas they are Beza's words, and not S. Peters. Again, whether you take Beza's words, or S. Peters, your argument faileth very much, when you conclude that Christ's natural body is not in the Sacrament, because it is placed and contained in heaven. For S. Chrysostom telleth you, that Christ ascending into heaven, both left us his flesh, and yet ascending hath the same. And again, O miracle, saith he? He that sitteth above with the Father, in the same moment of time is handled with the hands of all. This is the faith of the ancient fathers, M. Whitaker's, and this is the Catholic faith, and this is (I trow) another manner of faith and far greater, thus to believe the presence of Christ in both places at once, because he is omnipotent and hath said • the word: than your faith (whereof you boast so much) which believeth no further than that he is ascended, and that therefore he cannot be present upon the altar, nor dispose of his body as he list.
FULK. 9. Master Whitaker is not so young a divine, but he knoweth that Chrysostom speaketh of the ineffable manner of Christ's presence spiritually▪ though he be absent corporally. As in the place by you cited, Desacerdo • io, it is most manifest, where he saith that we may see the people died and made red with the precious blood of Christ, which as it is not with the eye of the body, but with the eye of faith, so is Christ that is corporally present in heaven, spiritually present unto the faith of the worthy receyuer.
MART. 10. Again it is a very famous place for the real presence of the blood (which we have handled at large else where, but here also must be briefly touched) when our Savior saith, Luc. 22. This is the Chalice the New Testament in my blood, which (Chalice) is shed for you. For so (which) must needs be referred according to the Greek. In which speech, Chalice must needs be taken for that in the chalice, and that in the chalice must needs be the blood of Christ, and not wine, because his blood only was shed for v • . And so • e do plain • lie prove the real presence, according a • S. Chrysostom also said, Hoc quod est in calice, illud est quod ••• xit delatere. That which is in the Chalice, is the same that gushed out of his side. All which moste necessary deduction Beza would defeat, by saying the Greek is corrupted in all the copies that are extant in the world, and by translating thus clean otherwise than the Greek will bear, This •• ppe is the new Testament in my blood, which (blood) is shed for you.
FULK. 10. It is a famous place in deed that never a one of the ancient writers, could cō •• der for any real presence to be drawn out of it. How Beza hath translated it I have at large declared before, Cap. 1. Sect. 37. 38. 39. That which Chrysostom saith we confess to be most true, after a spiritual & heavenly manner, and so he doth expound him self, in the same place, where he saith that Christ suffereth him self to be broken for us, in the oblation, which he suffered, not on the cross, where no bone of his was broken. Which none but a mad man would take otherwise than spiritually to be done, as he is present after a spiritual manner.
MART. 11. But what pertaineth this to the English heretics, who translate, which is shed, so indifferently that it may signify, which cup, or, which blood is shed? Thus far it pertaineth, because they do not only defend this translation by all means, but they tell us plainly namely Fulke, that they refer (which) to the word blood, and not to the word cup, • uē as Beza doth, asking us what Grammarian would refer it otherwise. In which question he showeth himself a very simple Grāmarian in the Greek, or a mad Heretike, that either knoweth not, or will not know, that in the Greek it cannot be so referred, and consequently neither in Latin nor English, which in true translation must follow the Greek. But of these and other their foul and manifold shif • es to avoid this place, I have spoken in another place of this book.
FULK. 11. As you have placed your crimination in the first chapiter to be sure that it should be red of every man that taketh your book in hand: So have I. observing your order, answered you in the same place, and in such sort I hope discharged myself, that you shall have little lust hereafter to insult against mine ignorance, before you be able to weigh the matter yourself with sounder knowledge.
MART. 12. Only M. Whitaker's (to say truly) hath brought somewhat to the purpose, to wit, that S. Basil readeth the Greek as they translate. But he doth well to make light of it, because it is evident that S. Basil cited not the text of the Evangelist, but the sense, which Beza noteth to be the custom of the ancient fathers, telling us withal that therefore the reading of the fathers, is no certain rule to reform or alter the words of Scripture according to the same: and it is very like that if Beza or Fulke his advocate had thought S. Basils reading of any importance, they would have used it long since, rather than so many other shifts and so absurd, as they do: unless we may think they knew it not, and therefore could not use it. But for S. Basel, according to the sense he citeth it very truly: for, whether we say, the Cup that is shed, or, the blood that is shed, both signifieth the blood of Christ shed for us, as S. Basil citeth it. The difference is, that referring it to the cup, as S. Luke hath it, it signifieth the blood both present in the cup, and also then shed in a Sacrament at the last supper: but referring it to the word blood, as S. Basil doth, and as they translate, it may signify the blood shed on the cross also, yea (as these trāslatours mean and would have it) only that on the Cross, not considering that the Greek word is the present tense, and therefore rather signifieth the present shedding of his blood then in mystical sacrifice, than the other visible shedding thereof, which was to come in the future tense. Lastly, they translate S. Luke's Gospel, and not S. Basil: and therefore not following S. Luke, they are false translators, how soever S. Basil readeth.
FULK. 12. The reading of S. Basil, whereof Beza maketh mention, in his Annotation upon this text of S. Luke, is also handled before. As the reading of the Doctors, is no perpetual rule to reform the text of the Scripture by, so is it not to be neglected, but that sometimes also the present reading may be corrected thereafter. True it is, that Beza supposeth, it rather to have been added out of the margent, and I, as I have before declared, do think that either it is to be read as Basil did read it, or else that the verb substantive is to be understood, and the article taken for the relative, as it is often both in profane writings, and in the New Testament itself, as by sundry examples I have made it manifest.
MART. 13. As this falsehood is both against Sacrament and Sacrifice, so against the Sacrifice also of the altar it is, that they control S. Jerome's translation, in the old Testament, concerning the sacrifice of Melchizedek, Who brought forth bread and wine: Gen. 14. v. 18. that is, offered, or sacrificed bread and wine: which we prove to be the true sense and interpretation (and that this bringing forth of bread and wine, was sacrificing thereof) not only by all the fathers expositions, that write of Melchisedeks priesthood, (Cypr. epist. 63. Epiph. haer. 55. & 79. Hiero. in Mat. 26. & in epist. ad Euagrium.) and by the Hebrew word, which is a word of sacrifice, Iud. 6. v. 18. and by the greatest Rabbin's, and Hebricians, that a ri •• thereof, but we prove it also by these words of the very text it self, He brought forth bread, and wine, for he was the Priest of God most high. Which reason immediately following, Because he was God's Priest, proveth evidently, that he brought it not forth in cōmō manner, as any other mā might have done, but as God's Priest, whose office is to offer sacrifice. This consequence is so plain, that for avoiding thereof▪ the adversaries will not have it translated in any wise. For he was the Prieste, as though the Scripture gave a reason, why he brought forth bread, and wine: but, and he was a Priest, &c. Wrangling about the signification of the Hebrew conjunction.
FULK. 13. That S. Hieronyme was author of the vulgar Latin interpretation, of the old Testament, it is more boldly affirmed, than ever it can be sufficiently proved by you. But what do we control, your vulgar interpreter saith, that Melchizedek brought forth bread and wine, and so say we. Which how sent Jerome & other understandeth I have before declared Cap. 1. Sect. 42.
Against all the Fathers that expound, that bringing forth of bread and wine, to pertain to his Priesthood▪ I oppose the Apostle to the Hebrews, who could not have omitted it, if it had been so. That the Hebrew word is a word of sacrifice▪ it is most impudently affirmed of you. For Iud. 6. it signifieth no more to offer than hear, although there Gideon desire the Angel to stay, until he return and bring from his house with him a gift or oblation. But if you will contend that what so ever is brought forth, where soever this Hebrew word is used, is a sacrifice, you shall make an hundredth sacrifices, more than ever God ordained. Neither will Galatinus or Gerebrardus for their credit, once affirm that it signifieth to offer sacrifice. Though it may be used in bringing forth of Sacrifices as well as of all other things, that are brought forth. But the conjunction causal maketh it clear, that this bringing forth was in respect of his Priesthood. In deed if the Hebrew conjunction were causal and not copulative, we were driven to the wall: But seeing the Hebrew conjunction copulative must be expounded according to the sense, you do very unskillfully, to conclude the sense, which is in controversy, upon the conjunction which is indefinite: and we without partiality have translated the conjunction copulative, as it doth most commonly and ordinarily signify.
MART. 14. Wherein the reader may see their exceeding partiality and willfulness. For, besides infinite like places of Scripture, whereby we do easily show that this Hebrew particle is used to give a reason or cause of a thing, themselves also in another place prove it for us, and that by the authority of Theophylact, and allegation of examples out of the Scripture, and translate accordingly thus: Blessed art thou among women▪ because the fruit of thy womb is blessed. Let them give us a reason, why the said conjunction is here by their translation, quia, or, enim, where it was never so translated before, and it must not be in any case in the other place of Genesis, where it hath been so translated, and generally received, even in the Primitive Church. In other places of Scripture also, which Theophylact alledgeth, and many moe may be alleged, they confess, and like very well it should so signify: only in the place of Genesi • , they cannot abide any such sense, or translation thereof: but▪ He brought forth bread, and wine, and he was the Priest, &c. not, because he was the Priest: What is the cause of this their dealing? None other undoubtedly (and in all these cases, I knock at their consciences) but that here they would avoid the necessary sequel of Melchisedecks sacrifice, upon such translation, which typical sacrifice of bread & wine if it should be granted, then would follow also a sacrifice of the new Testament, made of bread and wine, answering to the same, and so we should have the sacrifice of the altar, and their bare communion should be excluded.
FULK. 14. Because we will not falsely translate, to maintain a color of your popish sacrifice, we show great partiality. Wherein I pray you? The conjunction copulative, we know may often be resolved, into the causal, where the sense so requireth: But it never hath any force in it self, to breed such a sense, or to conclude such a sense by it. It is against all reason therefore, that you would urge us to translate contrary to that which in our consciences before GOD we take to be the sense. Where you say, that the sacrifice of Melchizedek, if it were granted, would bring in your Mass, and exclude our communion, it is altogether untrue. For none of the ancient fathers, (who were deceived, to imagine a sacrifice, where the Apostle seeking all things, pertaining to Melchizedek's priesthood, could find none) doth allow your propitiatory sacrifice, but contrariewise, by those only speeches, that they use about Melchizedek's oblation of bread and wine, we are able to prove, that they did speak of a sacrifice of thankesgiuyng only. And your sacrifice, in which, you say, is neither bread nor wine, should hardly resemble Melchizedek's oblation made of bread and wine.
MART. 15. For which purpose also their partial translation about altare and table, is notorious. For, the name of altare (as they know very well) both in the Hebrew and Greek, and by the custom of all people's▪ both Jews and Pagans, implying and importing sacrifice, therefore we, in respect of the sacrifice of Christ's body and blood, say. altar, rather than, table, as all the ancient fathers (Chrys. ho. 53. ad po. Antioch. and ho. 20. in 2. Cor. and in Demonst. {quod} Christus sit Deus, to. 5. Nazianz. de Gorgonia sorore. Basil. in Liturg. Socrat. li. 1. Hist. c. 20. & 25. Theodoret. hist. li. 4. c. 20. Theophyl. in 23. Mat. Cypr. epist. 63. Optat. cont. Parm. Aug. ep. 86. & li. 9. Confess. c. 11. & 13. & alibi saepe) are wont to speak and write, (namely when S. Jerome calleth the bodies or bones of S. Peter and Paul the altars of Christ, because of this sacrifice offercd over and upon the same) though in respect of eating and drinking the body and blood, it is also called a table: so that with us it is both an altar and a table, whether it be of wood or of stone. But the Protestants, because they make it only a communion of bread and wine, or a supper, and no sacrifice, therefore they call it table only, and abhor from the word, altar, as Papistical. For the which purpose, in their first translation (Bible an. 1562.) when altares were then in digging down throughout England, they translated with no less malice, than they threw them down, putting the word, temple, in steed of altare: which is so gross a corruption, that a man would have thought it had been done by oversight, and not of purpose, if they had not done it thrice immediately within two Chapiters, 1. Cor. 9. and 10. saying: Know you not, that they which wait of the TEMPLE, are partakers of the TEMPLE? and, Are not they which eat of the sacrifice, partakers of the TEMPLE? in all which places the Apostles word in Greek, is, altare, and not, temple. and see here their notorious peevishness, where the Apostle saith, temple, there the same translation saith, sacrifice: where the Apostle saith, altar, there it saith, temple.
FULK. 15. That the ancient fathers used the name of altar, as they did of sacrifice, sacrificer, leuite, and such like improperly, yet in respect of the spiritual oblation of praise and thanks giving, which was offered in the celebration of the Lord's supper, we do easily grant: as also, that they do as commonly use the name of table, and that it was a table indeed, so standing as men might stand round about it, and not against a wall, as your popish altares stand, it is easy to prove, and it hath oftentimes been proved: and it seemeth you confess as much, but that it is with you, both an altare, and a table, with us indeed it is, as it is called in the scripture▪ only a table. That we make the Sacrament, a communion of bread and wine, it is a blasphemous slander, when we believe as the Apostle taught us, that it is the communion of the body and blood of Christ, and the Lord's supper, as for the corruption you pretend, I cannot think (as I have answered before) it was anything else but the first Printers oversight. For, why should the name of altare mislike us in that place, more than in an hundredth other places, when it is certain, wheresoever it is used in the scriptures, in the proper sense, it signifieth, the altares of the Jews, or of the Gentiles, and never, the communion table, or that, at which the Lord's supper is prepared and received.
MART. 16. Thus we see howe they suppress the name of altare, where it should be: now let us see howe they put in their translation, where it should not be▪ this also they do thrice in one chapiter, and that for to save the honor of their communion table, namely, in the story of Bel, where we have it thrice called the table of that idol, under which Bels Priests had made a privy entrance, and, that the king looked upon the table, and, that they did eat up such things as were upon the table: these wicked translators fearing, least the name of Bels table might redounde to the dishonor of their communion table, translate it, altare, in all these places. Wherein I cannot but pity their folly, and wonder exceedingly howe they could imagine it any disgrace, either for table or altare, if the idols also had their tables and altares, whereas S. Paul so plainly nameth both together, The table of our Lord, and the table of Devils. If the table of Devils, why not the table of Bel? if that be no disgrace to the table of our Lord, why are you afraid of Bels table, lease it should disgrace yours? Or if you had no such fear, then you must tell us some other good reason of your unreasonable translation in this place, why you translate, altare, for table, that is, chalk for cheese.
FULK. 16. That the authors of the first translation in the fabulous story of Bel, for table, translated altare, as I cannot excuse them of error, so I dare discharge them of any partiality, or favor of the communion table. For, in King Henry the eights time, when that translation was first printed, there was never a communion table in any Church of England. It is like therefore, they respected similitude of the placing thereof, so as a privy door might be under it, which could not be conveyed in tables of such forms as now adays are in use. The Bible 1577. in the margent placeth the word, table, which is in the Greek, signifying, that there is no great matter whether word you use. And that story being of no credit, the translatoures could have no purpose, either to prove, or improve, by authority thereof.
MART. 17. And here, by the way, the Reader may note another exceeding folly in them, that think the name of table, maketh against altare and sacrifice, their own translation here condemning them, where they call Bels table, an altare. and Saint Paul, having said to the Corinthians, the table of our Lord, saith to the Hebrews. of the self same, we have an altare. and again, he saith, the table of Devils, which, I am sure, they will not deny to have been a true altar of Idololatrical sacrifice▪ and Malachi. 1. v. 7. in one sentence it is called both altare & table, whereupon the Jews offered their external and true sacrifices▪ and all the fathers, both Greek and Latin, speaking of the sacrifice of the new Testament, call that whereupon it is offered, both altare and table: but the Greeks more often, table, the Latin fathers more often, altare: and why, or in what respects, it is called both this and that, we have before declared, and here might ad the very same out of S. Germanus Arch. B. of Constantinople, in his greek commentaries (called mystica theoria ) on the Liturgies or masses of the Greke fathers▪ but to proceed.
FULK. 17. It were an infinite matter to note, not only all the follies, that you commit, but also the impudent assertions that you make, upon your own surmise▪ without all proof. Who made you so privy of our thought, that you affirm us to think the name of table, maketh against altar, and sacrifice? We know the name of table, proveth no sacrifice, but that the fathers call the same, both a table and an altare, we do never deny unto you. Yet, that the Apostle to the Hebrews, 12. calleth that same an altare, which Saint Paul to the Corinthians nameth a table, you shall never be able to prove: Howsoever Oecumenius and Haimo, two late writers, dote upon that place which is evident, even by the text, to be understood of the only sacrifice of Christ's death upon the Cross. That the people whom the Prophet Malachi reproveth, called the Lord's altare, his table, is no sufficient proof, that it might be called by the one name as well as the other. And although, in respect of the meat offerings and drink offerings, it was also a table, at which God vouchsafed to be entertained by the people, as their familiar friend. But, what is this to the purpose of any controversy between us. The altare was called a table, in the old Testament, but the table is never called an altare, in the new Testament, although by the a • ntient fathers, oftentimes.
MART. 18. There are also some places less evident, yet such as s • ach of the like heretical humor against the B. Sacrament. In the prophet I • re. c. 11. v. 17. we read thus, according to the Latin and the Greke, Let us cast wood upon his bread, that is, saith S. Jerome, in comment. huius loci, the cross upon the body of our Savior. For it is he that said, I am the bread that descended from heaven. Where the Prophet so long before saying, bread, and meaning his body, alludeth prophetically to his body in the B. Sacrament made of bread, and under the form of bread, and therefore also called bread of the Apostle. So that both in the Prophet and Apostle, his bread and his body is alone, and lease we should think, that the bread only signifieth his body, he saith, Let us put the Cross upon his bread, that is, upon his very natural body, which hung on the Cross. Now for these words of the Prophet, so usual and well known in the Church and all antiquity, how think you do these new Masters translate? in one Bible thus, Let us destroy the tree with the fruit thereof. Another, we will destroy his meat with wood. or as they should have said rather, the wood with his meat. Do you see how properly they agree, whiles they seek novelties, and forsake the ancient usual translation?
FULK. 18. The phrase or manner of speech which the Prophet Jeremiah useth, being somewhat obscure, and unusual, hath bred diverse translations. The most simple meaning, and agreeable unto the Hebrew, is this: Lette us destroy him with woodde in steed of bread, that is, let us famishe him in a close prison, or in the stocks, &c. and so may the Greek and vulgare Latin be expounded, let us give him woodde for bread, rather than that violent exposition of Saint Jerome, is to be admitted, which referreth it to his crucifying, where beside, it were an intolerable figure in that place to understand his body by bread, it is clean contrary to that you said. For, the Cross was not put upon Christ, but Christ upon the Cross. Suche wresting of the Scripture, where no need is, maketh the Christians ridiculous to the Jews. And yet it is more far fetched, to draw it to the sacrament, which is called bread, & is not bread: Neither doth Saint Jerome extend his interpretation so far.
MART. 19. They will say, the first Hebrew word cannot be as Saint Jerome translateth, and as it is in the Greek, and as all antiquity readeth: but it must signify, Let us destroy. They say truly, according to the Hebrew word which now is. But is it not evident thereby, that the Hebrew word now is not the same which the Septuaginta translated into Greek • and S. Jerome into Latin? and consequently the Hebrew is altered and corrupted from the original copy which they had: perhaps by the Jews (as some other places) to obscure this prophecy also of Christ's Passion, and their crucifying of him upon the Cross. Such Jewish Rabbin's and new Hebrew words do our new masters gladly follow in the translation of the old Testament, whereas they might easily conceive the old Hebrew word in this place, if they would employ their skill that way, and not only to novelties. For who seeth not that the Greek Interpreters in number 70. and all Hebrews of best skill in their own tongue, S. Jerome also a great Hebrician did not read as now we have in the Hebrew, Nashchîta, but, Nashitha, or, Nashlîcha? Again the Hebrew word that now is, doth so little agree with the words following, that they cannot tell how to translate it, as appeareth by the diversity and difference of their translations thereof before mentioned, and transposing the words in English otherwise than in the Hebrew, neither of both their translations having any commodious sense or understanding.
FULK. 19. If we should acknowledge the Hebrew word to be altered in so many places, as the 70. depart from it, we should not only condemn the Hebrew text, that now is, in many places, but your vulgar Latin text also, the translator whereof differing oftentimes from the Greek, followeth the truth of the Hebrew, or at least cometh nearer unto it. Your argument of the number of the 70. interpreters all Hebrews, is very ridiculous & childish. Jerome him self will laugh you to scorn in it, who acknowledged for certainty, no more than the books of the law translated by them. And Lindanus proveth manifestly unto you, that some partes of the Old Testament in Greek, which we now have, are not the same that were counted the 70. translation in the ancient fathers time. Whether Jerome in this place did consider the Hebrew text, we know not, for he doth not, as his manner is, show the diversity of the Hebrew and the Septuaginta in this chapiter, beside he professeth great brevity, entreating upon so long a Prophet. But whether a letter in this word have been altered or no, or whether it were corrupt in the copy, which the Greek translater and Jerome did read, for the true or simple sense thereof, there is no great difference. No nor for that sense which Jerome brings, which although it seemeth to be far from the Prophets meaning, yet it may have as good ground upon the word Naschita, as upon the word Nashlicha.
MART. 20. But yet they will pretend that for the first word at the least, they are not to be blamed, because they follow the Hebrew that now is. Not considering that if this were a good excuse, then might they as well follow the Hebrew that now is Psal. 21. v. 18: and so utterly suppress and take out of the Scripture this notable prophecy, They pierced my hands and my feet: Which yet they do not, neither can they do it for shame, if they will be counted Christians. So that in deed, to follow the Hebrew sometime where it is corrupt, is no sufficient excuse for them, though it may have a pretence of true translation, and we promised in the preface, in such cases not to call it heretical translation.
FULK. 20. To this cavil against the certain truth of the Hebrew text, I have sufficiently answered in my confutation of your preface Sect. 44. showing that the true reading of this word, as Felix Pratēsis, Johannes Isaac, Tremellius, and other do acknowledge, is still remaining and testified by the Mazzorites.
MART. 21. But concerning the B. Sacrament, let us see once more how truly they follow the Hebrew. The holy Ghost (saith S. Cyprian ep. 63. nu. 2.) by Solomon foreshoweth a type of our Lord's sacrifice, of the immolated host of bread & wine, saying, Wisdom hath killed her hosts, SHE HATH MINGLED HER WINE INTO the cup. Come ye, eat of my bread, and drink the wine that I HAVE MINGLED for you. Speaking of WINE MINGLED (saith this holy doctor) he foreshoweth prophetically the cup of our Lord, MINGLED WITH WATER AND WINE. So doth S. Jerome interpret this mixture or mingling of the wine in the chalice, so doth the author of the commentaries upon this place among S. Jerome's works, so do the other fathers. So that there is great importance in these prophetical words of Solomon. She hath mingled her wine into the cup, and, the wine which I have mingled, as being a manifest prophecy of Christ's mingling water and wine in the Chalice at his last supper, which the Catholic Church observeth at this day, and whereof S. Cyprian writeth the foresaid long epistle.
FVL. 21. It had been to be wished that S. Cyprian when he goeth about to prove the necessity of wine, in the celebration of the Lord's supper, against the Heretics, called Aquarij, that contended for only water, had retained the precise institution of Christ in wine only, which the Scripture mentioneth, and not allowed them a mixture of water, and for that purpose driven him self to such watery expositions, as this of Proverbs 9. which without good warrant, he draweth to represent the Lord's supper. Where if he had been urged by the adversaries, whereto the beasts slain were referred in this Sacrament, he must have been driven to some violent comment. But whereto tendeth this preparation?
MART. 22. But the Protestants counting it an idle superstitious ceremony, here also frame their translation accordingly, suppressing altogether this mixture or mingling, and in steed thereof saying, She hath drawn her wine, and, drink the wine that I have drawn: or (as in other of their Bibles) She hath poured out her wine, and, the wine which I have poured out: neither translation agreing either with Greek or Hebrew. Not with the Greek, which doth evidently signify, mingling and mixture, as it is in the Latin, and as all the Greek Church from the Apostles time hath used this word in this very case whereof we now speak, of mingling water and wine in the chalice. S. James, and S. Basil in their Liturgies expressly testifying that Christ did so, as also S. Cyprian in the place alleged. S. Justin in the end of his second Apology, calling it of the same Greek word 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , that is (according to Plutarche) wine mingled with water: likewise S. Ir • neus in his fifth book near the beginning. See the sixth general Council most fully treating hereof and deducing it from the Apostles and ancient fathers, and interpreting this Greek word by any other equivalent, and more plain to signify this mixture.
FULK. 22. The authority of the holy Scriptures with us is more worth than the opinion of all the men in the world. In the Scripture we find the fruit of the vine, water we find not, therefore we account not water to be of any necessity in the celebration of the Lord's supper. In the primitive Church, we know water was used first of sobriety, then of ceremony, and at length it grew to be compted of necessity. The Armenians therefore are commendable in this point, that they would never depart from the authority of the Scriptures, to yield to the custom, practice, or judgment of any men. But against this mixture, as you surmise, we have translated poured out or drawn. I confess our translators, should more simply according to the word have said, mingled hir wine, and the wine that I have mingled, but because that speech is not usual in the English tongue, it seemeth they regarded not so much the property of the word, as the phrase of our tongue. But that they had no purpose against the mixture of the wine with water in the Sacrament, it is manifest by this reason, that none of them did ever think, that this place was to be interpreted of the Lord's supper, but generally, of such spiritual food as wisdom giveth to men's souls. Therefore it is certain they had no meaning to avoid the word of mixing for any such intent as you surmise.
MART. 23. Thus then the Greek is neither drawing of wine, nor pouring out thereof, as they translate, but mingling. But the Hebrew perhaps signifieth both, or at the least one of the two, either to draw, or to pour out. Gentle Reader, if thou have skill, look the Hebrew Lexicon of Pagnine, esteemed the best: if thou have not skill, ask, and thou shalt understand, that there is no such signification of this word, in all the Bible, but that it signifieth only mixture and mingling. A strange case, that to avoid this mingling of the cup, being a most certain tradition of the Apostles, they have invented two other significations of this Hebrew word, which it never had before.
FULK. 23. The Dictionaries are more sure to teach what a word doth signify, than what it doth not signify. I confess, Pagnine giveth none other signification of that root 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , but miscuit. But even the word miscuit, may signify, a pouring out, when there is no respect of joining diverse things together, but of serving one with the cup, as Tully useth the word. Qui alteri misceat mulsum, ipse non sitiens. He that serveth another with sweet wine, when he is not a thirst him self. So is the Hebrew word used, Isaiah. 19. where the Prophet saith. The Lord hath poured forth among them, the spirit of error. Where the word of mixture, is not so proper. Again, your own vulgar Latin Interpretor, Prouerb. 23. translateth mimsach, a word derived from the same root, not for any mixture, but for drinking up, or making clean the cups, & student calicibus epotandis, which study how to empty or drink up all that is in the cups. In Hebrew it is, which go to seek strong wine, or mingled wine. And if a mixture be granted in the place you require, how prove you a mixture, with water rather than with anything else. Verily, the circumstance of the place, if there must needs be a mixture, requireth a mixture of spices, honey, or some such thing, to make the wine delectable, unto which, Wisdom doth invite, and allure all men to drink it, rather than of water only, to abate the strength of it. As also in the text, Proverbs 23. the drunkards that continued at the wine, and went to seek 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 mingled wine, went not to seek wine mingled with water, but some other delicate mixture. And Isaiah. 5. where woe is pronounced to drunkards, the same word is used: woe be to them, that are strong to drink wine, and men of might, limsoch, to mingle strong drink, not to mingle it with water, for sobriety, but with some other delectible matter, to provoke drunkenness, as your vulgar Interpretor translateth it. So that albeit the word did signify to mingle, never so properly, and certainly, you can make no good argument for mingling with water, in that place. Proverbs 9. where either it signifieth simply to draw, broche, or pour out, or else to prepare with some other more pleasant mixture, than of water only.
CHAP. XVIII.
Heretical translation against the honor of SAINCTS, namely of our B. LADIE.
Martin.
LEt us pass from God's holy Sacraments, to his honorable Saints in heaven, and we shall find that these translations pluck from them also as much honor as they may. In the Psalm 138. where the Catholic Church, and all antiquity readeth thus, Nimis honorati sunt amici tui Deus, &c. Thy friends O God are become exceeding honorable, their princedome is exceedingly strengthened: which verse is sung and said, in the honor of the holy Apostles, agreeably to that in another Psalm, Constitues cos principes super omnem terram, Thou shalt appoint them Princes over all the earth: what mean they in all their English Bibles to alter it thus: Howe dear are thy counsels (or thoughts) to me O God: O how great is the sum of them? Doth not the Hebrew make more for the old received Latin translation, than for theirs, because the Hebrew word is used more commonly for to signify friends, than cogitations? doth not S. Jerome so translate in his translation of the Psalms according to the Hebrew? doth not the great Rabbi R. Solomon? Doth not the Greek put it out of doubt, which is altogether according to the said ancient Latin translation?
Fulke.
THe context of the verse going before, & also the verse following, not any envy against the Saints of god, have moved our translators to depart from the vulgar translation, which is neither so proper for the words, & altogether impertinent to the matter of the text. For when the Prophet had in the verse going before, celebrated the wonderful work of God, in the framing of his body in his mothers womb, in this verse, he breaketh out into an exclamatiō, to behold the marvelous & unsearchable wisdom of gods councils, whose strength is above man's reach, whose mumber is as the sand of the sea. To answer R Salomō, we have R. David Kimchi, as great a Rabbi as he, and a more sincere Interpretor, that expoundeth the whole verse even as we do.
MART. 2. And you my Masters, that translate otherwise, I beseech you, is it in Hebrew, How great is the sum of thē: & not rather word for word most plainly, how are the heads of them strengthened, or their Princedoms, as in the Greek also it is most manifest? Why do you then hunt after novelties, & forsake the trodden path of the ancient, & pass the bounds which our holy forefathers have set and appointed, preferring your own singularities & new devises., even there where you cannot justly pretend either the Hebrew, or Greek? When the Hebrew Lexicon hath given the common interpretation of this place, & then saith, Quidam exponunt, Some expound it otherwise: why had you rather be of that lesser, some that expound otherwise, than of the great society of all ancient interpreters.
FULK. 2. The Hebrew is as we have translated, how great is the sum of them. So doth Kimchi expound it, so doth Pagnin, and to the same effect, Justinian. And the same word, • atsemu missapel▪ the sum of them is greater than can be numbered, Psal. 40. Where the Prophet speaketh of the counsels or thoughts of God as in this place. Where you quarrel at us, for following the lesser number when Pagnin saith, Quidam, &c. You may know if you list, that Pagnine him self is one of those quidam, that translateth even as we do, Howe precious are their thoughts unto me, howe are the sums of them multiplied? As for Jerome, whom you would have us to follow, in steed of Princes, hath poor men. And therefore you do injuriously, to require us to follow him, whom you follow not yourselves. You must therefore indite Pagnine of heretical translation, beside all Protestants, or else you are very partial.
MART. 3. But this new fangled singularity of teaching and translating, otherwise than all antiquity hath done, shall better appear in their dealing, about our B. Lady, whose honor they have sought so many ways to diminish, and deface, that the defense and maintenance thereof against the Heretics of our time, is grown to a great book, learnedly written by the great Clerke, and Jesuit, father Canisius, entitled, Mariana.
FULK. 3. I think Canisius in all his great book called Mariana, meddleth not with our English translations, and therefore very idly was this matter brought in, to tell us of Canisius book, called Mariana. I have seen a blasphemous book against, I may justly say, (though it were pretended in the honor of) the blessed Virgin, called Mariale. I have seen that horrible blasphemous Psalter of Bonauentur, perverting all the Psalms unto the honor of the Virgin Marie, with intolerable blasphemy against God, and the holy mother of Christ, whose greatest honor is in the kingdom of her son, and in his infinite glory.
MART. 4. Concerning our purpose, what was ever more common, and is now more general, and usual, in all Christian Countries, than in the Ave Marie, to say, Gratia plena, full of grace, insomuch, that in the first English Bible, it hath continued so still, and every child in our country, was taught so to say till the Ave Marie was banished altogether, and not suffered to be said, neither in Latin, nor English? What ancient father of the Latin Church, hath not always so red, and expounded? What Church in all the West, hath not ever so sung, and said? Only our new Translators have found a new kind of speech, translating thus: Hail thou that art freely beloved▪ and, Hail thou that art in high favor. Why this, and that, or any other thing, rather than, Hail full of grace? S. John the Baptist was full of the holy Ghost, even from his birth, S. Stephen was full of grace, as the scripture recordeth of them both: why may not then our Lady much more be called full of grace, who (as S. Ambrose saith) only obtained the grace, which no other women deserved, to be replenished with the author of grace?
FULK. 4. The salutation of the Virgin, may be said still, either in Latin, or English, as well as any parte of the holy Scripture beside. But not to make a popish Orizon, of an Angelike salutation. That we have translated Hail Marie freely beloved, or, that art in high favor, we have followed the truth of the Greek word, not so denying there by, but that the virgin Marie of God's special goodness without her merits, as she confesseth was filled with all gracious gifts of the holy spirit, as much as any mortal creature might be, except our Savior Christ, whose only privilege it is to be free from sin, and to have received the gifts of the holy Ghost without measure in his manhood.
MART. 5. They will say, the Greek word doth not so signify. Doth it not? I make them selves witnesses of the contrary, and their own translation in other places shall confute them, where they translate another word of the self same nature and form and in all respects like to this, full of sores. If 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 be full of sores, why is not 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 full of grace? Let any Grecian of them all, make me a difference in the nature and significancie of these two words. Again, if vlcerosus (as Beza translateth) be full of sores, why is not gratiosa (as Erasmus translateth) full of grace? or why doth Beza marvel, that Erasmus translated, gratiosa, when him self translateth the like word, vlcerosus? All which adjectives in osus (you know) signify fullness, as, periculosus, aerumnosus. Yet what a stir doth Beza keep here in his annotations, to make the Greek word signify, freely beloved?
FULK. 5. The signification of the Greek word, with your foolish cavillation of Vlcerosus, I have discussed sufficiently. cap. 1. sect. 43.
MART. 6. But hath it in deed any such signification? tell us you that profess this great skill of the tongues, what syllable is there in this word, that soundeth to that signification? S. Chrysostom, & the Greek Doctors, that should best know the nature of this Greek word, say that it signifieth, to make gracious & acceptable, & beloved, & beautiful, & amiable, & so to be desired, as when the Psalm saith, The king shall desire thy beauty. Beza him self saith, that it is word for word, gratificata, made grateful, & yet he expoundeth it, accepted before God, & translateth it, freely beloved, because he will have no singular grace or goodness, or virtue, resident in our B. Lady, but all by imputation, & acceptation, whereof I have spoken before. S. Athanasius a greek doctor saith, that she had this title 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , because the holy ghost descended into the Virgin, filling hir with all graces and virtues, and I beseech the reader, to see his words, which are many moe concerning this fullness of grace and all spiritual gifts. S. Jerome, that knew the Greek word as well as the Protestants, readeth, Gratia plena, and findeth no fault with this interpretation. but saith plainly, she was so saluted, full of grace, because she conceived him, in whom all fullness of the deity dwelt corporally.
FULK. 6. Look in the best Greek Lexicons, and you shall find it the same signification, that we translate, and none other. Chrysostom is of the same judgment, as I have shown, in the place above mentioned. That the Virgin Marie was justified before God by faith, imputed to hir for righteousness without works or justice, as you will have it called, we doubt no more of hir, than of Abraham. But, that she was also sanctified with moste excellent graces, and endued in hir soul, with all Christian virtues, Beza, and all that esteem Beza in the word, will confess as much as is convenient for hir honor, so nothing be derogated from the honor of God. That which Athanasius saith, we do likewise admit, and that which Jerome writeth also. But this is all the controversy, whether the Virgin Marie were freely accepted and beloved of God, & so by his spirit endued with gracious virtues, or whether, for her virtues which she had of her self, she were worthy to be beloved of God, and deserved that honor, whereof she was vouchsafed to become the mother of God. Athanasius saith expressly, that all those graces and gifts were freely given her by the obumbration or ouershadowing of the holy Ghost, which the Angel promised should come upon her.
MART. 7. Now let the English Bezites come with their new term, freely beloved, and control these and all other ancient fathers both Greek and Latin, and teach them a new signification of the Greek word, which the • knew not before. Let John Keltridge one of their great Preachers in London, come and tell us, that the Septuaginta and the best translations in Greek have no such words as we use in the Ave Marie, but that the word which the Septuaginta use, is 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 &c. Who ever heard such a jest, that the preacher of the word of God in London (so he is called in the title of his book) and preacher before the Jesuits and Seminaries in the tower, which is next degree to the disputers there, whose sermons be solemnly printed, & dedicated to one of the Queens Council, who seemeth to be such a Grecian that he confuteth the vulgar Latin translation by the significatiō of the Greek word, and in other places of his book allegeth the Greek text: that this man for all this, referreth us to the Septuaginta either as authors of S. Luke's Gospel, which is too ridiculous: or as trāslators thereof, as though S. Luke had written in Hebrew, yea as though the whole new Testament had been written in Hebrew (for so no doubt he presupposed) and that the Septuaginta had translated it into Greek as they did the old, who were dead three hundred years before S. Luke's Gospel and the New Testament was written.
FULK. 7. Concerning John Keltridge, against whose ignorance and arrogancy you insult, I can say nothing, because I have not seen his book. But knowing how impudently you slander me, M. Whitaker, Beza, and every man almost, with whom you have any dealing, I may well suspecte your fidelity in this case, and think the matter is not so hard against John Keltridge, as you make it seem to be. If he have ouershot himself (as you say) he is the more unwise, if you slander him, as you do others, you are moste of all too blame.
MART. 8. Al this is such a pitiful jest, as were incredible, if his printed book did not give testimony. Pitiful, I say, because the simple people count such their preachers jolly fellows and great Clearks, because they can talk of the Greek and of the Hebrew text, as this man doth also, concerning the Hebrew letter, Tau, whether it had in old time, the form of a Cross, or no, even as wisely and as skillfully, as he did of the Septuaginta, and the Greek word in S, Luke's Gospel. Whose incredible folly and ignorance in the tongues, perhaps I would never have mentioned (because I think the rest are sorry and ashamed of him) but that he boasteth of that, whereof he hath no skill, and that the people may take him for a very pattern and example of many other like boasters and braggers among them, and that when they hear one talk lustily of the Hebrew and Greek, and cite the text in the said tongues, they may always remember John Keltridge their Preacher, and say to themselves, what if this fellow also be like John Keltridge?
FULK. 8. Reseruing John Keltridge to the trial & defense of himself, I say, you have shown yourself as ridiculous in this book diverse times, and so have many that bear a greater countenance among you tentimes, than John Keltridge doth among us, how so ever it pleaseth you to make him the next degree to the disputers: But if John Keltridge have shown him self to be a vain boaster of that knowledge whereof perhaps he is ignorant, what reason is it that other learned men, which know the tongues in deed, should be drawn into suspicion of ignorance for his folly? But that you delight by all means to discredit their learning and good gifts of God in them, to whom if you were comparable yourself, yet it were not tolerable, that you should seek their reproach, before their unskillfulness may plainly be reproved.
MART. 9. But to proceed: these great Grecians and Hebricians that control all antiquity and the approved ancient Latin translation by scanning the Greek and Hebrew words, that think it a great corruption Gen. 3. to read, Ipsa conteret caput tuum, she shall bruise thy head, because it pertaineth to our Ladies honor, calling it a corruption of the Popish Church, whereas S. Ambrose, S. Augustine, S. Gregory, S. Bernard, and the rest read so, as being the common received text in their time (though there hath been also always the other reading even in the vulgar Latin translation, and therefore it is not any late reformation of these new correctors, as though the Hebrew and Greek text before had been unknown) these controllers I say of the Latin text by the Hebrew, against our Ladies honor, are in another place content to dissemble the Hebrew word, and that also for small devotion to the B. Virgin: namely Jerome 7. and 44. Where the Prophet inveigheth against them that offer sacrifice to the Queen of heaven, this they think is very well, because it may sound in the people's ears against the use of the Catholic Church, which calleth our Lady, Queen of heaven. But they know very well that the Hebrew word doth not signify Queen in any other place of the Scripture, and that the Rabbin's and later Hebricians (whom they gladly follow) deduce it otherwise, to signify rather the whole corps and frame of heaven, consisting of all the beautiful stars and planets, and the Septuaginta call it not only 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 ▪ Queen, but 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 : the host of heaven, c. 7. Hierem: and S. Jerome not only, reginā, but rather, militiam coeli: and when he nameth it reginam, Queen, he saith we must understand it of the moon, to which and to the other stars they did sacrifice & commit idolatry. But the Protestants (against their custom of scanning the Hebrew and the Greek) translate here, Queen of heaven, for no other cause in the world, but to make it sound against her, whom Catholics truly call and worthily honor as Queen of heaven, because her son is king, and she exalted above Angels and all other creatures. See the New Test Annot. Act. 1. v. 14.
FULK. 9. We think it in deed a shameful corruption of the Scripture, that your vulgar Latin text, for ipsum, or ipse, as it is in the Greek, readeth ipsa, and blafphemous it is to ascribe that to the mother of Christ, which is proper unto himself. But many of the ancient Fathers did read so, and therefore Fulke did ignorantly be like, in calling it a corruption of the Popish Church. The best property I find in you, (for which I am beholding to you) is that when you have made a lie, and slandered me, you will note the place yourself, where I may be discharged and your own impudency be convinced. My words in the place by you noted be these:
But the chieefe complaint is behind, that in Hieremie 7. Cap. 44. we translate the Queen of heaven, as the Septuaginta, Jerome, and the vulgar Latin translation doth, and we only do it in despite of the virgins Marie, because the Papists blasphemously call her the Queen of heaven. The Hebrew word in deed may signify Queen, although with those pointes it be not else where red for a Queen, & it may signify the workmanship, but then you must supply Aleph of the root, that is wanting, and resteth under no long vowell, & so some Protestants do translate it, as Tremellius & Junius. But if we be accused of heretical translation, when we ioigne with your vulgar Latin, with Jerome, with the Septuaginta, it is very strange, that they should nor bear the blame with us. Certain it is, no Protestant did ever teache, that the Jews did worship the virgins Marie for the Queen of heaven. But the Sun, the Moon, or some great star as Pagnine saith. How truly you call the virgin Marie queen of heaven, and how well you prove it in your notes, upon Acts 1. 14. Some other more convenient time, and place may be granted to consider.
MART. 10. Agine, why doth the Geneva new Testament make S. Matthew to say, that He (to wit, Joseph) called his name Jesus? Why not she, as well as he? For in S. Luke the Angel saith to our Lady also, Thou shalt call his name Jesus. S. Matthew then speaking indifferently, and not limiting it to him or her, why do they give this preeminence to Joseph rather than to the B. Virgin? did not both Zechariah and also Elisabeth his wife by revelation give the name of John, to John the Baptist? yea did not Elisabeth the mother first so name him before Zechariah hir husband? much more may we think, that the B. Virgin the natural mother of our Savior, gave him the name of Jesus, than Joseph his putatiue father. specially, if we consider, that the Aungel reu • aled the name first unto hir, saying, that she should so cal him: and the Hebrew word, Isaiah. 7. whereunto the Aungel alludeth, is the foeminine gender, and referred by the great Rabbin's, Rabbi Abraham, and Rabbi David, unto hir, saying expressly in their commentaries, Et vocabit ipsa puella: and the maid hir self shall call. and surely, the usual pointing of the Greek text (for Beza maketh other points of his own) is much more for that purpose. Now, if they will say, that Theophylacte understandeth it of Joseph, true it is, and so it may be understood very well: but if it may be understood, of our Lady also, and rather of hir, than of him, why doth your translation exclude this other interpretation?
FULK. 10. The matter is not worth the weight of an hair, whether we read, he called, or, she called, for both called him so. But, because Joseph had a commandment, in the same chapiter, that he should call his name Jesus, it is more probable, that S. Matthew, in this place meant of him, rather than hir: at the least, it is no heretical translation, to say, that Joseph did that, which he was in few verses before, commanded to do: and it was more ordinary and usual, that the man gave the name, rather than the woman, although, in this case, the woman had more right than the man. As for Elizabeth's example, proveth nothing, because she spake when hir husband was dumb.
MART. 11. Where, by the way I must tell you (and elsewhere perhaps more at large) that it is your common fault, to make someone Doctors interpretation, the text of your translation, and so to exclude all the rest that expound it otherwise, which you know is such a fault in a trāslator, as cā by no means be excused. Secondly, the reader may here observe and learn, that if they shall hereafter defend their translation of any place, by some Doctors exposition, agreeable thereunto, that will not serve nor suffice them, because every Doctor may say his opinion in his commentaries, but that must not be made the tex • e of Scripture, because other Doctors expound it otherwise: and being in it self, and in the original tongue, ambiguous, and indifferent to diverse senses, it may not be restrained or limited by translation, unless there be a mere necessity, when the translation cannot possibly or hardly express the ambiguity and indifferency of the originaltexte.
FULK. 11. The authority of one Doctor, agreeing with the propriety of the original tongue, is more worth, than an hundredth against it. We never follow one Doctor, as you falsely slander us, to make his interpretation the text, but where that one Doctor did see the truth of the natural sense, according to the • ong, that perhaps was hid from other Doctors, whose writings we have. As for ambiguities, and indifferences unto diverse senses, are better reserved to commentaries and lectures upon the Scriptures, than that they either can or ought to be retained in the translations.
MART. 12. As (for example) in this controversy concerning Saints, S. Peter speaketh so ambiguously, either, that he will remember them after his death, or they shall remember him, that some of the Greek fathers gathered, and concluded there upon ( Oecum. in Caten. Gagneius in hunc locum ) that the Saints in heaven remember us on earth, and make intercession for us. Which ambiguity both in the Greek, and the Latin, should be also kept and expressed in the English translation, and we have endeavored as near as we could possibly so to make it, because of the diverse interpretations of the ancient fathers. But it may seem perhaps to the reader, that the said ambiguity cannot be kept in our English tongue, and that our own translation also can have but one sense. If it be so, and if there be a necessity of one sense, then (as I said) the translator in that respect is excused. But let the good reader consider also, that the Calvinists in restraining the sense of this place, follow not necessity, but their heresy, that Saints pray not for us. Which is evident by this, that they restrain it in their Latin translations also, where there is no necessity at all, but it might be as ambiguous and indifferent, as in greek, if it pleased them: yea, when they print the Greek Testament only, without any translation, yet here they put the Latin in the margent, according as they will have it read, and as though it might be read no otherwise, than they prescribe.
FULK. 12. Oecumenius, who lived in a superstitious time, telleth, that some men understood this saying of Peter, by an hyperbaton, &c. meaning to show, that the saints, evē after their death, do remember those things, which they have done here, for them that are alive. But other handling this matter plainly, &c. do give the usual sense. First Oecumenius counteth this an enforced exposition, because it cannot stand, but by an hyperbaton. Secondly, he speaketh never a word of the intercession of Saints for us. Thirdly, he prese • reth the common sense, that all the fathers before him given of this text, as plain and simple, and yet this must be sufficient for us to change our iuterpretation, although we were put in fault immediately before, as though we made one doctors interpretation, a sufficient ground of our translation. Yet is not this an opinion approved, but reported only by Oecumenius▪ and Oecumenius himself, a Doctor of as little authority, as any other, in respect of the late season, in which he lived. As for Gagneius, that came after him, who seeth not how little we are to accompt of his credit, that would wreste the deciding of an unprofitable question, out of this place, whether Saints make intercession for us, which, if it were granted, it followeth not, that we must make intercession to them.
CHAP. XIX.
Heretical translation against the distinction of LATRIA and DVLIA.
Martin.
IN this restraining of the Scripture to the sense of someone Doctor, there is a famous example in the epistle to the Hebrnes, where the Apostle saith, either Jacob adored the top of Joseph's scepter, as many read and expound: or else, that he adored toward the top of his scepter, as other read and interpreate: and beside these, there is no other interpretation of this place in all antiquity, but in S. Augustine only, as Beza confesseth: yet are they so bold to make his exposition only, and his commentary peculiar to him alone, the text of the scripture in their translation, saying: Jacob leaning on the ende of his staff, worshipped God, and so excluding all other senses, and expositions of all the other Fathers, excluding, and condemning their own former translations, adding two words more, than are in the Greek text, leaning, God: forcing 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 to signify 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , which may be, but is as rare, as virgae eius, for virgae suae: turning the other words clean out of their order and place, and form of construction, which they must needs have correspondent, and aunswereable to the Hebrew text, from whence they were translated: which Hebrew words themselves translate in this order, He worshipped toward the beds head. If he worshipped toward the beds head, according to the Hebrew: then did he worship toward the top of his scepter, according to the Greek: the difference of both being only in these words, scepter, and bed, (because the Hebrew is ambiguous to both) and not in the order or construction of the sentence.
Fulke.
THe restraining of simple men from error, is counted of you the restraining of the Scripture, as though the Scripture were a nose of wax, as some of you have called it, which might be writhed every way, and especially it pleaseth you, when it may be wrested to some color of your error. So have you not one place of Scripture clear on your side, for any of your heresies, but you are glad to uphold ambiguities, and diversities of senses, whereas, if you had the truth, you might have texts of infallible certainty, whereof there could not be diverse interpretations, without manifest violence offered unto the words and true signification of them. But concerning the place now in question, your vulgar text, omitting the preposition, which is both in the Greek, and in the Hebrew, hath committed a manifest error, in saying, that Jacob worshipped the top of his rod or staff, where S. Augustine hath rightly observed the true sense of the place, and saith, that Jacob (as a weak old man) worshipped upon the top of his staff, that is, leanīg on his staff. The Hebrew is, towards the beds head. Although it is not unlike, that either the Apostle did read the word Mattah, which we read Mittah, or else that Mittah signifieth a staff, as well as Mattah. For it is not like as Beza saith, that Jacob kept his bed, when Joseph came first to him, for after it was told Joseph that his father was sick. That other translators observed not this matter, whereto shall it be imputed, but to human imperfection? That we add to the text, it is false, the words, leaning, and God, are printed in the small letter, to signify that they are not of the original text, but added for plainness. And yet the sense may stand without them: and he worshipped upon the ende or top of his staff. That 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 is forced to signify 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , it is a forgery of you, and no enforcement by us: for it is in a manner as commonly taken so, as otherwise, except there be another antecedent, to whom it may be referred, then to avoid ambiguity, it is 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 . rather than 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 As Math. 4. his paths, his meat, his hand, Math. 5. his Disciples, and else where in every place.
MART. 2. To make it more plain, when the Prophet David saith, Adorabo ad templum sanctum tuum, Psal. 5. & 137. is not the true translation, and gramatical sequel of the words, thus: I will adore toward thy holy temple? Is it not a common phrase in the Scripture, that the people of God adored toward Jerusalem, toward his holy mount, before the Ark, toward the place where his feet stood? May any man be so bold, by adding and transposing to alter and obscure all such places of holy Scripture, that there may appear no manner of adoration toward or before a creature? and for worshipping or adoring toward the things aforesaid, and the like, may we say, leaning upon those things to worship, or adore God? Were they afraid, lest th • se speeches of holy Scripture might warrant and confirm the Catholic and Christian manner of adoring our Savior Christ, toward the holy Rood, at, or before his image and the crucifix before the altar, and so forth? For had they not feared this, why should they translate 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , leaning upon, rather than, towards, yea, why in Genesis, towards his beds head, and here not, towards?
FULK. 2. You abound in leisure, thus to trifle about nothing, we allow worshipping toward the temple, the holy hill, the footstool, the Ark of God, and such like: yea if you will have it toward the beds head, or the toppp of his staff, what gain you for the worshipping of images, forbidden by the seconde commandment, or before images? for so you would creep upon poor men's consciences, first, to worship before images, then to worship images, thirdly, to worship, them with Dulia, and not with Latria, at last to worship the image of God, of Christ, of the Trinity, with Latria, even the same worship that is due to God him self.
MART. 3. And (which is more) when the ancient Greek fathers, Chrys. Oecum. in Collectan. Damase. lib. 1. pro imaginibus, Leont. apud Damasc. put so little force either in this preposition 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , (or the other alleged) that they expound all those speeches, as if the prepositions were of phrase only, and not of signification, saying: Jacob adored Joseph's scepter, the people of Israel adored the temple, the Ark, the holy mount, the place where his feet stood, and the like, whereby S. Damascene proveth the adoration of creatures, named Dulia, namely, of the cross, and of sacred images: if I say they make so little force of the prepositions, that they infer not only adoration towards the thing, but adoration of the thing: howe do these goodly translators, of all other words, so strain and rack the little particle 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , to signify, leaning upon, that it shall in no wise signify anything, tending towards adoration?
FULK. 3. The worship that Chrysostom, and Oecumenius speak of, is a civil reverence done to Joseph, or to his scepter, in respect of the kingdom of Ephraim, that should be set up in his posterity. What Damascene gathereth hereof, to maintain idolatry, we regard not, certain it is, that Jacob worshipped none but God, and bowed himself, either toward the beds head, or leaning upon his staff, as S. Augustine saith That they which follow constrained expositions, are enforced to neglect the prepositions, it is no warrant for us, when we see how the sense may best stand without making the prepositions, which the holy Ghost useth, idle or unprofitable, both in the Hebrew, and in the Greek. And if 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 should signify toward, as it doth not properly, but upon, your counterfeit distinction of Dulia, and Latria, should never the sooner be received.
MART. 4. And if the Greek Doctors suffice not to satisfy these great Grecians herein, tell me, you that have skill in the Hebrew, whether in the foresaid speeches cited out of the Psalms, there be any force in the Hebrew prepositions? surely no more than if we should say in English, without prepositions, Adore ye his holy hill: we will adore the place where his feet stood: Adore ye his footstool: For you know that there is the same preposition also, when it is said, Adore ye our Lord: or, as yourselves translate, worship the Lord: where there can be no force nor signification of the preposition. And therefore in these places also, your translation is corrupt, and willful, when you say thus: We will fall down before his footstool. fall ye down before his footstool, before his holy mount, or worship him upon his holy hill: Where you shun and avoid, first the term of adoration, which the Hebrew and Greek, duly express by terms correspondent in both languages, throughout the Bible and are applied for the moste parte, to signify adoring of creatures. Secondly, you avoid the Greek phrase, which is at the least, to adore towards these holy things, and places: and much more the Hebrew phrase, which is, to adore the very things rehearsed: to adore God's footstool (is the Psalm saith) because it is holy, or, because he is holy, whose footstool it is, as the Greek readeth.
FULK. 4. If the Apostle had meant nothing by the preposition, he might, and would, (as it is most like) have left it clean out, yea, if he had meant no more, but the adoration of Joseph's scepter, what needed he to have added the top, or the extremity? or why was the top of his scepter more to be adored, than all the other length of it? But certain it is, the Apostle would express the Hebrew preposition, which must needs have some signification. And where you ask them that have skill in the Hebrew, whether there be any force in the preposition, in those sayings out of the Psalm, that speak of worshipping, or falling down before his footstool, his holy hill, &c. I answer, yea, there is great force, for the hill was not to be worshipped, but he whose tabernacle or temple was on it. But you object, that we our selves neglect the preposition, Psal. 96. and say, worship the Lord. The fault is the less, because the worship is referred to none but the Lord: yet the precise translation in that place, should be, bow down, or fall ye down before the Lord, in the glorious sanctuary. And where you say, we shun the word of adoration, which the Hebrew, and Greek, duly do express, by terms applied, for the most part signify adoring of creatures. You have packed up a great number of untruths, together, as it were in a bundell. First, that we shun the term of adoring, for doubt of your Dulia, which is utterly untrue, for it is avoided partly, because it is more Latin, than English, partly because it doth not express either the Greek, or the Latin terms, which the Scripture useth. Secondly, you avouch, that both the Hebrew, lishtachauoth, and the Greek 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , whereas all that be learned in both the tongues, do know, that the Hebrew word doth signify properly, to bow down, and therefore is used of such bowing down, as is not to the ende of adoration, as Psalm 42. v. 5. 6. Why art thou cast down O my soul, and in diverse other places. The Greek word also signifieth, to use some gesture of body in worshipping, & sometimes, to fall down as Herodotus, 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , they must worship the King falling down before him. Finally, where you say, they are applied to the adoring of creatures, if you cal it adoration which is used in civil manner to Princes, and other persons of authority, I grant it is often so applied, but if you mean of religious adoration, it is expressly forbidden to any creature or Image of creature, by the second commandment in the Hebrew term, and by the words of our Savior Christ to the Devil, Math. 4. In the Greek word, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Where Satan desired not to be worshipped as God with divine honor, but that our Savior Christ would fall down before him and worship him, as an excellent minister of God, to whom the dispositiō of all the kingdoms of the world, as he falsely said, were by God committed, Luk. 4. v. 6. which utterly overthroweth your bold distinction of Dulia and Latria, seeing it was that which you call Dulia, that the Devil required, but our Savior Christ telleth him, that all religious worship and service pertaineth only to God. Touching the adoration of God's footstool, I have spoken sufficiently before, Cap. 1. Sect. 41.
MART. 5. This being most manifest to all that have skill in these tongues, it is evident that you regard neither Hebrew nor Greek, but only your heresy: and that in S. Paul's place aforesaid of adoring Joseph's scepter, you alter it by your own fancy, and not by S. Augustine's authority, whom I am sure you will not admit reading in the Psalm, Adore ye his footstool: and so precisely and religiously reading thus, that he examineth the case, and findeth thereby that the B. Sacrament must be adored, and that no good Christian doth take it, before he adore it. Neither will you admit him when he readeth thus of David, He was carried in his own hands, and interpreteth it mystically of Christ, that he was carried in his own hands, when he gave his body and blood to his Disciples. Yet are S. Augustine's interpretations (how so ever you like or mislike thē) very good, as also that above named of Jacob's leaning vpō his staff, & adoring, may be one good sense or comētarie of that place, but yet a commentary, & one Doctors opiniō, not the sacre text of Scripture, as you would make it by so trāslating.
FULK. 5. Let Pagnine for the Hebrew word, the Greek Lexicons for the other, be judge between us. For you are the most impudent aduoucher I think, that ever became a writer. That we lean to Augustine's judgment, in this case, it is not because we make him an author of truth, but a witness of the same, against such venomous tongues and pens, as yours is, that call everything heretical, that savoreth not of your own drowsy dreams, of antichristian heresy. Neither is it reason that by using the testimony of Augustine, where he beareth witness to the truth, we should be bound to every interpretation of his▪ when he declineth therefro. Where you say, that by adoring the footstool of God, he findeth that the blessed Sacrament must be adored, you say untruly, he gathereth that Christ's humanity or body, must be adored, but not the blessed Sacrament thereof. Likewise when he saith, upon a feeble ground, of a false interpretation, that Christ was carried in his own hands in the Sacrament, he affirmeth it not so absolutely, as you allege it, but quodam modo, after a certain manner, he bare himself in his hands, when he said, this is my body. Yea, in that place Augustine, as in many other, declareth his judgment, that he acknowledged not the corporal manner of presence, and eating of Christ's body, in the sacrament, for which, you Papists so greatly contend, that you ate content to make so many senses of the scripture, it declareth, that you acknowledge none certain, and so derogate all credit and authority from the word of God, which may have so many meanings, as there be diverse doctors that have commented upon it. Whereas diverse interpretations may have all a true sense, but it is impossible, that they should all be senses of the same Scripture.
MART. 6. And if S. Jerome like not the Greke doctors interpretation, in this place of adoring Joseph and his scepter, yet he also saith, that Jacob adored toward Joseph's rod, or toward the beds head, and not, leaning upon his staff he adored, which you make the text of Scripture. And though he think, that in this place is not meant any adoration of Joseph, yet, I am sure, for adoration of holy things, namely, Relics, the holy lande, and all the holy places and monuments of Christ's being and doing upon the earth, you will not be tried by S. Jerome. And again, why S. Paul should say, that by faith he adored, & in respect of things to come, it is not otherwise easy to understand, but that he partly for saw the kingdō of Ephraim, the posterity of Joseph: partly the kingdom of Christ prefigured in Joseph then Prince of Egypt, and so by faith adored his scepter or toward his scepier (which is all one) as the Greek fathers for the most part expound it. But let us hasten towàrd an end.
FULK. 6. S. Jerome in deed denieth that Jacob did worship his staff or his scepter, or toward the top of his Sons scepter, but only towards the beds head as the Hebrew text is. For reverent estimation of relics, the Holy land, and the monuments of Christ's doing and being, as he sometime upon contention perhaps was immoderate, so for adoration of such things, after such Idolatrous manner as is used in the popish Church, he was far off:
Do you not hear how Jerome alloweth the adoring of creatures? I see no cause therefore why we may not be tried by his judgment, for adoration of holy things, and namely, relics, and whatsoever you will name beside, seeing he maketh adoration proper only to God.
Finally, the Apostle saith, not that Jacob adored, in respect of things to come, but, that by faith, he blessed his son, concerning things to come, and worshipped God, whom no man can worship truly, but by faith. And Jacob's faith, was the more commendable, that being near his ende, and in that infirmity of body, he both believed the promises of God made to him concerning his sons, and also gave thanks unto God, for those benefits which he should never taste of in the flesh, but was assured by them, as tokens of God's favor towards him, to the attainment of the lande of eternal life, whereof the lande of Canaan was but a holy figure and sacrament.
CHAP. XX.
Heretical translation, by ADDING TO THE TEXT.
Martin.
BEcause in the last corruption I spake of adding to the text, though i • be their common and universal fault in every controversy, as is to be seen in every chapiter of this book: yet here I will add certain places, not yet mentioned. As, The rest of the acts of Iehoakim, and his abominations which he did, and CARVED IMAGES THAT WERE LAID TO HIS CHARGE, BEHOLDE THEY ARE WRITTEN, &c, these words, carved images laid to his charge, are more than is either in the Greek, or the Hebrew.
Fulke.
YOu forget yourself in the first place, whereof made mention, Chap. 3. sect. 9. where I have answered, that our first translators added that which is the common interpretation, and supply of them that write upon this place, but, because that had been better in the note, than in the text, it is corrected in two later translations
MART. 2. Again, Saul confounded the Jews, proving (by conferring one Scripture with another) that this is very Christ. These words, by conferring one Scripture with another, are added more than is in the Greek text: in favor of their presumptuous opinion, that conference of scriptures is enough for any man to understand them, and so to reject both the commentaries of the Doctors, and exposition of holy Councils, and Catholic Church, it is so much more, I say, than is in the Greek text, and a notorious corruption in their Bible, read daily in their churches, as most authentical. See the rest of their Bibles, and thou shalt find no more, for all those words, but, affirming, or, confirming. and the self same Bible, in the first epistle to the Corinthians, translateth the same Greek word thus, Who shall instruct? And indeed, that is the true and usual signification of the word, both in the old Testament, and in the new▪ as Deut. 4. Thou shalt teach them thy children. And Isaiah 40. Who shall instruct our Lord? The Hebrew word also in both places, signifying no more, but instructing and teaching. And so doth the Apostle cite i • to the Corinthians out of Isaiah, and he useth i • to the Coloss. (c. 2. v. 2. in the same signification, as the Church readeth and expoundeth it, and so consequently, S. Luke in the place whereof we now treat, saith nothing else, but that S. Paul earnestly taught or instructed them, that Jesus is Christ. And yet our new translators without respect of Hebrew, or Greek, have coined a new signification, of conferring one scripture with another. So ignorant they are in the signification of Greke words, or rather, so willfully malicious.
FULK. 2. Either you make aloud lie, or else someone print, which you have of the Bishops Bible, which you cal, Bib. 1577. hath put that into the line that should be the note in the margent. For, of four translations that I have, never a one hath that addition. The Bishops Bible hath that 22. verse Chap. 9. this. But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews, which dwelt at Damascus, affirming, that this was very Christ. The Geneva Bible thus. But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews that dwelt at Damascus, confirming, that this was the Christ▪ where the note in the margent upon the word, confirming, is this: proving by the conference of the scriptures. Thomas Matthews Bible translateth that verse thus. But Saul increased in strength, and confounded the Jews, which dwelt at Damascus, affirming, that this was very Christ. Master Couerdales Bible 1562. hatla it thus. But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelte at Damascus, affirming, that this was very Christ. Thus are all our translations without that addition, which, although it is not to be borne in the text, yet is no heretical addition, except you count it heresy, to prove a thing by conference of Scriptures.
MART. 3. Again, in the first epistle of Saint Peter they translate thus: The word of the Lord endureth ever: and this is the word which by the gospel was preached unto you. where these words, by the Gospel, are added deceitfully, and of il intent, to make the reader think, that there is no other word of God, but the written word, for the common reader hearing this word Gospel, conceiveth nothing else. But indeed all is the gospel, whatsoever the Apostles taught, either by writing, or by tradition and word of mouth, a • S. Paul speaketh, 2. Thess. 2. and S. Peter saith nothing else in the place alleged, but, This is the word which is preached among you, as the Geneva Bibles translate, or more significātly, which is Euangelized among you, as we translate, for, though there be greater significancie in the Greek word, than is expressed by bare preaching or telling a thing, as having a goodly relation, & allusion to the word, Euangeliū▪ Gospel, yet neither do they in any other place, neither can they translate it, to preach by the gospel, but simply, to preach, to tell, to show. as, preaching peace by Jesus Christ, Act. 10. verse 39. so themselves translate it. & Psalm. 95 (or 96. v. 2.) Be telling of his salvation from day today. Which in other places is spoken by other Greek words, that have no signification at all of Gospel, as immediately in the said Psalm, 95 (or 96. v. 3) and Psalm 104. (or 105. v. 1.) and Act. 13. v. 5. and c. 17. v. 23. and Io. 1. v. 3.
FULK. 3. The other before is not a more lewd slander, than this is a foolish cavil. The Greek word signifieth not simply to preach the gospel, or good tidings, which, both may, and ought to be expressed, where the phrase of our tongue will abide it. And therefore the Geneva translation is imperfect in this place, rather than the other. When you say Euangelized, you do not translate, but fain a new word, which is not understood of mere English ears, as you do in an hundredth places beside, to make the scripture dark and unprofitable to the ignorant readers. And if the word signifieth no more but, to preach, to tell, to show, as you would seem to prove by a mumber of quotations, why do you use that new word, Euangelize? which, if it were understood and in use, is more, than simply, to preach, to tell, to show. But of all other your mad surmises, this is the most monstrous, that this is added, to make the reader think, that there is no other word of God, but the written word. Doth Gospel, I pray you, signify the written word? The common hearer, you say, hearing this word Gospel, conceiveth nothing else. I am persuaded there is no such reader in England, except it be some of your viperous brood, that thinketh the Gospel, to be nothing but the story written by the four Evangelists: whereas all true Christians know the Gospel to be contained, not only in those stories, but also in other writings of the Apostles, and that the Gospel is preached, whensoever a good sermon teaching the way unto salvation is preached. Howsoever the Septuaginta used the word Euangelizo in the old Testament, we are not to learn the signification thereof, out of their translation, but out of the Scribes of the holy ghost, in the new Testament.
MART. 4. All which words signify only to tell, to show, to declare, and are used indifferently for and with the other word which they here only translate, to preach by the Gospel. Whereas in all others places when they will translate it most significantly, they express it by bringing glad tidings: and in some places where it should be expressed most significantly in respect of euangelizing or preaching the Gospel, there they translate it barely, preachers, and preaching. Only S. Peters place aforesaid, must be stretched to signify, The word preached by the Gospel, to insinuate and uphold their heresy of the written Gospel only, or only written word, against Apostolical traditions not written. If this be not their meaning, let them give us a good reason why they translate it so in this one place only.
FULK. 4. When we vary about the signification of the word 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , or in deed when we vary not in substance, though you must brabble about it for a countenance, what mean you to teach us the significatiō of other words, except you would make folk believe, that we know nothing, but what we learn of you? I say again, if in the New Testament we have not fully expressed the significatiō of the Greek word, 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , either it is because our English phrase could not express it, or else it is a fault of negligence. But in the old Testament, where we have not that word, because we translate out of Hebrew, what reason is there, that you should exact the significancie of that word, when we do not translate it? The insenslesse insinuation that you dream of, I am sure was far from the translators minds, seeing we have manifest and inevitable Scriptures to confound your heretical blasphemy of the imperfection and insufficiency of the word & Gospel of God written unto eternal salvation. And if the word Gospel, when it is added to the text out of the verb of Euangelizing▪ do insinuate the heresy of the written Gospel only, why do you Math. 11. v. 5. translate, Pauperes Euangelizantur, to the poor the Gospel is preached? Would you think it were an honest surmise of me, to say you avoid the name of the Gospel, so often as you express it not in translating that word, for hatred you bear the Gospel? And yet it hath more likelihood, than many that you have invented, and prosecuted against us.
MART. 5. It is written of Luther that he for the self same heresy, in his first translation into the Germane tongue, left out these words of S. Peter altogether, This is the word which is euangelized or preached to you. Why so? because S. Peter doth here define what is the word of God: saying, that which is preached to you, and not that only which is written▪ which false dealing of Luther is no small presumptiō against the like heretical meaning of our English Protestants, who (I am sure) in this point of controversy of the word written and unwritten, will not deny that they agree with the Lutherans.
FULK. 5. That any such sentence was vpō any purpose leste out by Luther in his translation, for my part I believe it not, neither upon your report, nor upon your author Lindanus credit. If the Printer did omit a line, yet what reason were it to think that Luther did it, upon such a cause? which were to no purpose for him except he should have left out all those texts of Scripture, where preaching of the Gospel, or word of God is mentioned. What you have left out, I have noted before, and yet I have not pronounced the cause why, so confidently as you do of that omission, which you know not whether it be so or no.
MART. 6. Again in the epistle of S. James, they add the word, Scripture, into the text, saying, But the Scripture offereth more grace. Where the Apostle may say as well, and indifferently, The Spirit or holy Ghost giveth more grace, and it is much more probable, and is so expounded of many. Let the good reader see the circumstance of the place, and abhor their saucinesse in the text of holy Scripture.
FVL. 6. The nominative case in the Greek is wanting, which is expressed in the verse before, and in this verse is supplied by the translators: yet printing it so in another letter, that the reader may know it is not in the Greek, as they do in 500. places beside, where a verb or a noun, or a pronowne, or any other word, must of necessity be understood, to fil up the sense: which you in your precise trāslatiō observe not, whē you add any such thing beside many imperfect sentences that you make, because you will not seem to add, that which in translation is no addition, but a true translation. But here you say, the Apostle may as well understand the holy Ghost, as the Scripture. When there is a nominative case before, that agreeth with the verb, & the sense, it is far fetched to understand a nominative case of him, that is not spoken of. I will set down the whole text, that the reader may judge, what perilous addition is here committed, by our translators.
MART. 7. One addition of theirs I would not speak of, but only to know the reason why they do it, because it is very strange, and I know not what they should mean by it. This I am sure, if they do it for no purpose, they do it very foolishly, and forgetfully, & contrary to themselves. In the Gospel of S. Mark, in the reckoning of the Apostles, they add these words, And the first was Simon, more than is in their Greek text. Which addition they learned of Beza, whose contradictions in this point are worthy nothing. In S. Matthew where these words are, he suspecteth that, first, was added by some Papist, for Peters primacy: here, where the word is not, he avoucheth it to be the true text of the Gospel, and that because Matthew readeth so. There he alleged this reason, why it could not be said, the first, Simon, because there is no consequence nor coherence of second, third, fourth, &c. here he saith, that is no impediment, because there be many examples of such speech, and namely in the said place of S. Matthew. There he saith it is not so, though all Greek copies have it so: here it must needs be so, though it be only found in certain odd Greek copies of Erasmus, which Erasmus him self (as Beza confesseth) allowed not, but thought that these words were added in them out of S. Matthew. What these contradictions mean I know not, and I would learn the reason thereof, of his scholars our English trāslators, who by their Masters authority have made the self same addition in their English translation also.
FULK. 7. It seemeth you like the addition well enough, because it importeth a shadow of Peters primacy, but yet your malice is so great against Beza, whose sincerity in this case you should rather commend, if there were any spark of honest equity in you, that you cannot pass it over without quarrelling, and cavilling. But your pretense is to know the reason why they do it. I have some marvel, that you should be ignorant of such things, as are compted so material for the maintenance of the Popes primacy. Especially since Beza telleth you so plainly the reason of it. True it is, that the common printed books have not that addition. But Beza taketh Erasmus to witness, that in diverse Greek copies these words are expressed, & because they agree best with the context, Beza translateth them out of those copies. For except you so read (saith Beza) the next verse beginning of the particle 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , shall have no word at all, with which it may be knit. But in S. Matthew (you say) he suspecteth that the word (first) was added by some▪ Papist for Peters primacy. He only objecteth, what if it were so, & answereth the objection himself out of S. Mark: as upon S. Mark, for the coherence with that which followeth: wherefor it is not without great and malicious impudēce, that you charge him with contradiction, where there is none, and where he saith more toward your cause, than any of you could say for yourselves.
MART. 8. There is also another addition of theirs, either proceeding of ignorance, or of the accustomed humor, whē they translate thus: If ye continue stablished in the faith, and be not moved away from the hope of the Gospel, which ye have heard how it was preached to every creature: or, whereof ye have heard how that it is preached: or, whereof ye have heard, and which hath been preached to every creature, &c. For, all these varieties they have, and none according to the Greek text, which is word for word, as the vulgar Latin Interpretor hath most sincerely translated it, Vnmoueable from the hope of the Gospel, which you have heard, which is, or hath been preached among all creatures, &c. So that the Apostles exhortation is unto the Colossians, that they continue grounded and stable in the faith and Gospel, which they had heard and received of their first Apostles: as in the epistle to the Romans, and to the Galatians, and to the Thessalonians, and to the Hebrews, and to Timothy, and S. John in his first Epistle, c. 2. v. 24. and S. Jude, v. 3. & 20. all use the like exhortations.
FULK. 8. Here is no addition of any word, that may not be comprehended in the Greek. For 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 being the genitive case, signifieth not only, which, but also, whereof, or of which, and 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , that hath been, or which hath been preached. Here is only the poor word (how) which is a superfluous word, even in our English, for the sense is all one, if you leave it out, Vnmoueable from the hope of the Gospel, of which you have heard, that it hath been preached among, or, to all creatures. Here is therefore no addition to the text, but a sense differing from that which pleaseth you best, and yet your vulgar Latin may well bear that sense, which our translators do follow.
MART. 9. But this doth not so well like the Protestants, which* with Hymenaeus, and Alexander, and other old Heretike • , have fallen from their first faith, and therefore they alter the Apostles plain speech, with certain words of their own, and they will not have him say, Be unmovable in the faith and Gospel which you have heard and received: but, whereof you have heard, howe that it is preached: as though he spake not of the Gospel preached to them, but of a Gospel which they had only heard of, that was preached in the world. Certain it is, these words, whereof you have heard, how it was preached, are not so in the Greek: but, which you have heard, which hath been preached. Which is as much to say, as that they should continue constant in the faith and Gospel, which them selves had received▪ and which was then preached, and received, in the whole word. So say we to our deer countrymen, Stande fast in the faith, and be unmovable from the hope of the Gospel, which you heard of your first Apostles, which was, and is preached in all the world. If the Protestants like not this exhortation, they do • according to their translation.
FULK. 9. The Lord is witness, there is nothing liketh the Protestants better, than that all nations should continue grounded, and stable in that faith and Gospel, which they had heard, & received of their first Apostles: but in this place, our translators understand, not only that continuance in the Gospel, but also they comprehend the mystery of the preaching of the Gospel, to the Gentiles, whereof the Apostle in this text, beginneth to speak, that the Collossians might know, that they have been enstructed in that Gospel, which at such time as the Apostle did write unto them, had been spread by preaching, according to our Savior Christ's commandment, over all the world.
CHAP. XXI.
Certain other heretical TREACHERIES, and CORRVPTIONS, worthy of observation.
Martin.
THey hold this position, that the Scriptures are not hard to be understood, that so everyone of them may presume to interpret, and expound them. And because S. Peter saith plainly, that S. Paul's Epistles are hard, and other Scriptures also, which the unlearned (saith he) pervert to their own destruction, therefore they labor tooth and nail, to make this subtle difference, that S. Peter saith not, Paul's Epistles are hard, but some things in S. Paul's epistles are hard, (as though that were not all one) & therefore they translate so, that it must needs be understood of the things, & not of the Epistles, pretending the Greek, which yet they know in some copies cannot be referred to the things, but must needs be understood of the Epistles. Wherefore, the Greek copies being indifferent to both, & the thing also in very deed being all one, whether the hardness be in the Epistles, or in the matter, (for when we say the Scripture is hard, we mean specially the matter) it is not only an heretical, but a foolish and peevish spirit, that maketh them so curious and precise in their translations, as here to limit and abridge the sense to the things only, Beza translating, inter quae sunt multa difficilia, and not, in quibus, as it is in the old vulgar translation, most sincere, and indifferent both to Epistles, and things.
Fulke.
MART. 2. An other fashion they have, which cannot proceed of good meaning, that is, when the Greek text is indifferent to two senses, and one is received, read, and expounded of the greater parte of the ancient fathers, and of all the Latin Church, there to follow the other sense, not so generally received and approved, as in Saint James epistle, where the common reading is, Deus intentator malorum est, God is no tempter to evil, they translate, Gad cannot be tempted with evil, which is so impertinent to the Apostles speech there▪ as nothing more. But, why will they not say, God is no tempter to evil, as well as the other? is it because of the Greek word, which is a passive? Let them see their Lexicon, and it will tell them that it is both an active, and passive. so say other learned Grecians, Interpreters of this place. so saith the very circumstance of the words next going before, Let no man say that he is tempted of God. Why so? Because God is not tempted with evil, say they▪ is this a good reason? nothing less. howe then? Because God is no tempter to evil, therefore let no man say, that he is tempted of God.
FULK. 2. You have a fashion, common to you, with many of your fellows, to snatch all occasions that you can get, to make a show, for your heinous slaūders, wherewith you seek to overwhelm the Saints of God, and especially those, whose labors have been most fruitful to his Church. Whereof you give us an evident example in this translation, which you follow with such egernes in three large sections, that the ignorant Reader, which cannot examine the matter, might think you had great and urgent cause so to do. The Greek of S. James, 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , we translated passively, as the word signifieth, & as words of that form do signify. God is not, or cannot be tempted with evil. But against this translation, you oppose the Lexicon, which following the judgment of the vulgar Interpretor, that hath translated it actively, doth in deed make it indifferent, to both significations, but example giveth none thereof, but this now in controversy▪ You allege further learned Grecians interpretors of this place, & namely Gagneius a late writer, to whom I may oppose Hentenius, who translating Oecumenius vpō S. James, turneth this place of Scripture thus. Deus enim malis tentari nequit.
MART. 3. This reason is so coherent and so necessary in this place, that if the greek word were only a passive (as it is not) yet it might beseme Beza to translate it actively, who hath turned the active into a passive without scrupulousity, as him self confesseth, and is before noted, against the real presence. Much more in this place might he be bold to translate that actively, which is both an active and a passive, specially, having such an example, and so great authority as is all the ancient Latin church til this day. But why would he not? surely, because he would favor his and their heresy, which saith clean contrary to these words of the Apostle, to wit, that God is a tempter to evil. Is that possible to be proved? yea, it is possible and plain. Beza's words be these, Inducit Dominus in tentationē eos quos Satanae arbitrio permittit, aut in quos potius Satanam ipsum indueit, vt cor eorum impleat, vt loquitur Petrus, Act. 5. v. 3. that is, The Lord leadeth into temptation those whom he permitteth to Satan's arbitrement, or into whom rather he leadeth or bringeth in Satan himself to fil their heart as Peter speaketh. Mark that he saith God bringeth Satan into a man, to fill his heart, as Peter said to Ananias, Why hath Satan filled thy heart, to lie unto the holy Ghost? So then, by this man's opinion, God brought Satan into that man's heart, to make him lie unto the holy Ghost, and so led him into temptation, being author and causer of that heinous sin.
FULK. 3. How necessary the coherens is, with the former words, that it maketh an absurd repetition in the words following, I have noted before. And therefore, there is no cause, that should drive Beza, to translate a word of passive signification actively, as you slander him to have translated an active passively, against the real presence, for that you mean of Act. 3. he translateth not passively, so as the passive is opposite to the active, but as the one may be resolved into the other, the same sense remaining, which every child in the Grammar school knoweth. Ego amo • e, •• amaris à me, I love thee, thou art loved of me: and not as they may disagree, I love thee, but I am not loved of thee.
But Beza (you say) would not follow the vulgar Interpretor, whose antiquity I have shown for universal receiving, not to have been above five hundredth years: seeing Bernard, which lived a thousand, and one hundred years after Christ, useth it not always. And why did Beza leave the vulgar translation, in this place?
MART. 4. Is not this to say, God is a tempter to evil: clean contrary to S. James the Apostle? or could he that is of this opinion, translate the contrary, that God is no tempter to evil? Is not this as much to say, as that God also brought Satan into Judas to fill his heart, and so was author of Judas treason, even as he was of Paul's conversion? Let Beza now, and Master Whitaker's, or any other Heretike of them all, wrest & wring them selves from the absurdity of this opinion, as they endeavor and labor to do exceedingly, because it is most blasphemous: yet shall they never be able to clear and discharge them selves from it, if they will allow and maintain their foresaid exposition of God's leading into temptation. Doth not Beza for the same purpose translate, God's providence for, God's prescience? Which is so false, that the English Bezites in their translation, are ashamed to follow him.
FULK. 4. Beza that said the one, desieth the other. For S. James saith, that God tempteth no man to evil▪ as he him self is not tempted of evil. Therefore it is most ridiculous that you imagine, that Beza should not translate the word actively, to avoid that sentence (God is no tempter to evil) which followeth in the very next words, God tempteth no man. That God gave over Judas unto Satan, it implieth not, that God was the author of Judas treason, no more than when the Apostles say, that Herod and Pontius Pilate came together, with the Gentiles, & people of Israel, against Jesus Christ, to do whatsoever the hand and counsel of God had determined, Act. 4. v. 27. 28. Behold all they that murdered Christ, Herod, Pilate, Judas, Annas, Caiaphas, with all the rest, did whatsoever the hand and counsel of God had before determined to be done. Was God then author of their sin? God forbid. And yet without horrible sin, those things could not be done, which God had determined to be done, by those wicked instruments, yet necessary by God's appointment, for our redemption. Beza therefore needed not for any such ende, as you slander him, to have translated God's providence, for God's prescience, which I have answered before. Neither is there any need for M. Whitaker, or other to wrest and wring themselves from this absurdity, which they never granted, but may easily be avoided by them▪ that hold the doctrine of God's eternal providence, and foreappointment of all things as we do.
MART. 5. An other exceeding treachery to deceive the Reader, is this: that they use Catholic terms & speeches in such places where they may make them odious, & where they must needs sound odiously in the people's ears. As for example, this term, procession, they put very maliciously & falsely, thus: When the feast of Bacchus was kept, they were constrained to go in the procession of Bacchus. Let the good reader see the Greek Lexicon, if there be anything in this word, like to the Catholic Churches processions: or whether it signify so much as, to go about, as their other Bibles are translated, which meant also heretically, but yet durst not name, processiō.
FULK. 5. Your popish ceremonies are many of them so heathenish, and idolatrous, that they may well be resembled to the customs, and solemnities of the Gentiles, from whom they were taken. And as for the Greek word, 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , it signifieth to go in a solemn pomp, such as your processions are, and so doth our Lexicon teach us, in pompa incedere, to go solemnly in a pomp. And if it signifieth not so much, as to go about, as you say: I pray you tell us, why your vulgar Latin Interpretor hath translated it by circuire, or whether circuire doth not signify to go about: or whether the worshippers of Bacchus did not go about, with garlands of yuie on their heads, as your Priests went with garlands of flowers at sometime of the year.
MART. 6. Again▪ He put down the Priests (of Baal) whom the kings of Judah had founded to burn incense. 4. Reg. 23. verse 5▪ So they translate (the Hebrew being simply to give, make, appoint) because in the Catholic Church, there are foundations of chaunterie Priests, Chapels, diriges, &c. Neither is it sincerely, and without ill meaning, that they say here the Priests of Baal, whom &c. Because the Hebrew word signifieth all those that ministered in the temples of false gods.
FULK. 6. A childish folly. As though we were enemies to good & godly foundations, because we mislike idolatrous & superstitious foūdations. The Hebrew word which signifieth to give, according to the circumstances of this place, may well be translated to found, because the text speaketh of a gift of perpetuity, intended by those wicked kings. That Chemarim were the Priests of Baal, the story doth declare, although they had that name of their black garments, which they did wear superstitiously, as your black monks do: or if you doubt whether Baal had Sacerdotes. sacrificing Priests, you may read, 4. Reg. 11. v. 18. where Mathan, Baals Priest, was killed before his altar. And if the Hebrew word signify all those that ministered in the temples of false gods, your vulgar Latin translator, by your own judgment, hath erred in translating it Aruspices, which is a kind of Soothsayers.
MART. 7. Again, Silver shrines for Diana, Act. 19. v. 24. Because of the shrines and tabernacles made to the image of our B. Lady: the Greek word signifying▪ temples, & Beza saith, he cannot see how it may signify shrines.
FULK. 7. The word in that place, is taken neither for shrines, nor temples, but for pieces of coin, in which was stricken the similitude of Dianaes temple, in deed such a thing, as your shrines, and tabernacles are, or rather such as your brooches, and leaden coins are, which are used at your solemn pilgrimages, and idolatrous festiuities, such as I have seen a number at Amiens in France, prepared on S. John Baptists eve, having the print of S. John's head in a platter, on them, and I know not what beside. But of this place, I have spoken before. cap. 1. sect. 16.
MART. 8. Again, As I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar, Act. 17. v. 23. So they call the superstition of the Athenians toward their false God's, because of Catholic people's devotions toward the true God, his Church. Altars, Saints, &c. the Greek word signifying the things that are worshipped (as 2. Thess. 2. v. 4. and Sap. 15. v. 17.) not the manner of worshipping.
FULK. 8. Of this also I have spoken in the place above mentioned, the word may signify the exercise of there religion. And seeing S. Paul accounteth the altar, which he found dedicated to the unknown God, among their 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , it seemeth he taketh the word more generally, than to signify their God's. For the altar was not worshipped, as God, but dedicated to the vnknowē God. Again, what folly is it to think, our translators had respect to your Popish devotions, by the name of devotion so applied to discredit them, when the term of devotion is indifferent, as the term of religion, either to true or to false devotion▪ and religion?
MART. 9. Again, The Jews had agreed, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be excommunicate, John. 9. v. 22. And Jesus heard that they had excommunicated him, v. 35. to make the Jews doing against thē that confessed Christ, sound like to the Catholic Churches doing against Heretics in excommunicating them, and so to disgrace the Priests power of excommunication: whereas the Jews had no such spiritual excommunication, but (as the Greek must needs only signify) they did, put them out of the Synagogue, & so they should have translated, the Greek word including the very name of Synagogue. But they, as though the Church of Christ and the Synagogue of the Jews were all one, so translate, excommunicating, and putting out of the Synagogue, as all one.
FULK. 9. The like discipline to the Churches excommunication, had the Jews, in excluding men from their Synagogues, or assemblies, and therefore of the similitude the one hath to the other, in the thing, as well as in the end, our translators have used the word of excommunicating in this place, and yet not excommunicating alone, for they all add out of the Synagogue, to make it more plain, which you do fraudulently suppress. But howe vain a thing it is, that we should have any purpose against the discipline of excommunication, all the world may see, when we practice it our selves, and teach, that it is necessary to be perpetual in the Church, against them that hold it was but temporal. And what we are to esteem of the excommunicatiō of heretics, both out of this place, and diverse other, we may be sufficiently instructed.
MART. 10. I omit here as spoken before, that they call an Idol, the Queen of heaven, because we call our Lady by that title: so to make both seem like. Also, that they say Bels altar thrife, for Bels table, to disgrace altars: & that for idols, they say images, in despite of the Churches images: that they say tradition du • lie in the ill part, yea sometime when it is not in the Greek, to make traditions odious, and such like. Thus by similitude and like sound of words they b • guile the poor people, not only in their false expositions concerning Iudaical fasts, mea • s, observation of days (as is else where shown) but also in their translations. So doth Calvin's New Testament in french, for Nolite vocari Rabbi, translate, Be not called nostre maistre, or Magister noster: in derision and disgrace of this • ill • and • alling, which is peculiar to Doctors of Diuiniue in the Catholic Universities beyond the seas: even as Wi • l • sse their grand▪ father did upon the same words condemn such degrees in Universities. But their Rabbin's can tell them that Rabbi signifieth▪ Magister, and not, Magister noster. And S. John telleth them so chap. 1. v. 38. and chap. 3. v. 2. and chap. • 0. v. 16. and yet it pleaseth them to translate otherwise and to abuse Christ's own sacred words against Catholic Doctors and schools: not considering that as Christ forbad them to be called Rabbi, so he forbad them the name of father and fathers▪ and yet I • row they will not scoff at this name either in their own fathers, or in themselves so called of their children: though in Religious men, according to their heretical humor, they scoff also at this name, as they do at the other in Doctors.
FULK. 10. And I omit here, as answered before, the Queen of heaven▪ Altars, Images, and Traditions. But owe as though we had anything to do therewith, we are charged with Calvin's New Testament in French, which translateth Math. 23. Nolite vocari Rabbi, be not called Nostre maistre, or Magister noster. I suppose it is not credible, that any man would translate, Rabbi, nostre maistre, or Magister noster. Specially seeing it is made a great difference among dunsticall Doctors, between Noster magister, and Magister noster, as also it is a like i • ste between Noster magistrande, and Nostrande magister▪ Wherefore, except I see the book of Calvin's translation, I must think you fain. For I have two new Testaments printed at Geneva, the one 1555. the other 1559. and in both them, Rabbi is translated consonātly, Maistre, and not, Nostre maistre, or Magister noster. That the text may be well applied against your pompous titule • Doctors, that desire to be called Nostre maistres, as also that which followeth against your Jebusites, that must be called fathers, though they be but young & light persons, I will not deny. And yet I think, the titles of Doctor, & Master, in the universities, and of fathers, ascrib • d to any ancient and grave personage, in respect of civility▪ and not of superstition, may be well used without transgression of our Savior Christ's commandment▪ Math. 23.
MART. 11. Contrarywise as they are diligent to put some words odiously where they should not, so they are as circumspect not to put other words and terms, where they should. In their first Bible (printed again An. 1562.) not once the name of Church: in the same, for charity, love: for altar, temple: for heretic, an author of sects: & for heresy, sect •• because in those beginnings, all these words sounded exce • dingly against, them. The Church they had then forsaken, Christian charity they had broken by schisine, altars they digged down, here sie and heretic they knew in their conscience more like in the people's ears to agree unto them, rather than to the old Catholic faith and professors of the same. Again in all their Bibles indifferently, both former and later, they had rather say righteous, than just: righteousness than justice: gift, than, grace, specially in the sacrament of holy orders: secrete, rather than mystery, specially in matrimony▪ dissension, than, schism: and these words not at all, Priest, (to wit. of the New Testament) Sacrament, Catholic, hymns, cōfessiō, penance justifications, & traditions in the good part: but in steed thereof, Elders, secrete, general, praise • , acknowledging amendment of life, ordinances instructions. And which is, somewhat worse, carcas, for soul, and grave for hell. We may say unto you as Demosthenes, said to Aeschines 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 . • hat are these? words or wonders? certainly they are wonders, and very wonderful in Catholic men's ears, and whether it be sincere and not heretical dealing, I appeal to the wise and indifferent reader of any sort.
FULK. II. For all the terms quarrelled at in this Section, we have answered before: except perhaps for the term of love, which is used, in steed of charity, expressing what charity is in deed, and not as it is commonly taken of the common people, for an effect of charity, when they call almesse, charity. No man that patiently could abide the people to be instructed would cavil at the explication of the word charity, by love, when in the English tongue, the word charity of the common people is either not understood, or taken for another thing, than the Latin word Charitas do the signify. As for the wonders of words, that Demosthenes spake of, I know not where more properly they shall be found, than in your affected novelties of terms, such as neither English, nor Christian ears ever heard in the English tongue. Scandal, prepuce, neophyte, ••• osium, gratis, parasceue, paraclete, exinanite, repropitiate, and a hundred such like inkehorne terms. Yea I would gladly know, why among so many Greckish and Latinelike terms, Gazophylac •• , is not a Gazophilace, but a treasury: en • aenia, the dedication, and not the encaenes; as well as pasce, Pentecost, azymes, parasceue, belike the Church must have treasure, and the feast of dedication must not • e hid in a new found term. Why should Aduentus be sometime the coming, and sometime the aduent, except it were for the sound of the time of aduent, before the feast of the nativity of Christ? Why should Latin words be translated in Greekish terms? as scissuras into selismes, aemulatores, zelators, and such like. These, and such other, be wonders of words, that wise men can give no good reason, why they should be used.
CHAP. XXII. Other faults Iudaeical, profane, mere vanities, follies, and novelties.
Martin.
NOW leaving matters of controversy, let us talk a little with you familiarly, and learn of you the reason of other pointes in your translation, which to us seem faults, and savor not of that spirit which should be in Christian Catholic translators.
Fulke.
OUR translations, as near as the translators could see the truth, are even, and just with the original text, the sense whereof, if it do not always contain such excellent matter, as the Septuaginta, or vulgar Latin translation have supposed, there is no cause why our translators should be blamed, whose office is to regard what the original truth is, and not to draw it for any respect to another meaning, thā the spirit of god expresseth in those words.
MART. 2. First, you are so profane, that you say, The ballet of ballets of Solomon, so terming that divine book, Canticum canticorū, containing the high mystery of Christ and his Church, as if it were a ballet of leave between Solomon and his concubine, as Castaleo wantonly translateth it. But you say more profanely, thus, we have conceived, we have born in pain, as though we should have brought • oo • ••• wind. I am ashamed to tell the literal commentary of this your translation▪ why might you not have said, we have conceived and as it were traueled to bring forth, and have brought forth the spirit? is there anything in the Hebrew, to hinder you thus far? Why would you say, wind, rather than, spirit: knowing, that the Septuagintain Greek, and the ancient fathers, and S. Jerome himself, who translateth according to the Hebrew, yet for sense of the place, all expound it both according to Hebrew and Greek, of the spirit of God, which is first conceived in us, & beginneth by fear, which the scripture calleth, the beginning of wisdom▪ in so much, that in the Greek there are these goodly words, famous in all antiquity: Through the fear of thee ô lord we conceived, and have travailed with pain, and have brought forth the spirit of thy salvation, which thou hast made upon the earth. Which doth excellently set before our cies, the degrees of a faithful man's increase, and proceeding in the spirit of God, which beginneth by the fear of his judgments, and is a good fear, though servile, and not sufficient. and it may be, that you condemning with Luther this servile fear, as evil and hurtful, mean also some such thing by your trāslatiō. But indeed the place may be under stood of the other fear also, which hath his degrees more or less.
FULK. 2. I marvel why this word ballet should seme to you to be profane, more than this word song, or canticle: songs and canticles be many as il as any ballets. But the other matter is of great weight, Isaiah. 26. where, for the spirit, we translate wind, which is such an absurdity, that you are ashamed to tell the literal commentary of this our translation. Belike you are afraid of such a fault as S. Lambert, in your legend is reported to have committed. But except you had a profane mind, you would never have imagined any such matter thereof, which you are ashamed to utter. The circumstance of the place requireth, that we should translate the word in this place for wind, and not the spirit: for the pro phets pur pose was to show, that people wer in desperate case, without hope of help, til God did raise them, evē as it were frō death. The similitude is taken of a travailing woman, whose womb, if it be full of wind, she is in great torments. But you ask us whether there be anything in the Hebrew, that hindereth us to say, we have conceived, and as it were traueled, and have brought forth the spirit. Yea verily the cōtext of the Hebrew words, will not bear that translation for the word chemo, quasi, as it were, is placed before the word ialadhenu, which signifieth, bringing forth, and not before chalnu, which signifieth travailing in pain. Therefore the text is word for word as we have translated it. And the word following: we could make no help to the lande, or there was no help in the earth, declareth a continuance of their misery, and cannot agree with that sense, which you would have, because they which have received the holy Ghost, have found help, and are able to help. Beside that, it is a monstrous phrase, that the godly should say, they have conceived, travailed, and brought forth the holy Ghost, by which they are borne again to be the children of God, rather, than that they have conceived or brought forth God's spirit. And therefore, howsoever Jerome like your interpretation, it agreeth neither with the words of the Hebrew, nor with the circumstance of the place, & it is scarce tolerable, to make such a conceptiō, and generation of God's spirit in men. That servile fear is to be reproved in the children of God, which: should fear him, as sons, and not as slaves, we are content to acknowledge with Luther. But what place is this for us to mean anything against servile fear, wh • there is no mention of fear in the Hebrew text? and the Greek hath such licentious additions, that Jerome is fain to strike them through with a spitte, and note them to be wiped out.
MART. 3. But to say, we have brought forth wind, can admit no such interpretation▪ but even as if a mere Jew should translate or understand it, who hath no sense of God's spirit, so have you excluded the true sense which concerneth the holy Ghost, and not the cold term of wind, and whatsoever naked interpretation thereof. And it is your fashion in all such cases, where the richer sense is of God's holy spirit, there to translate wind, as Psal. 147. v. 1 • . as you number the psalms.
FULK. 3. We must say in english, as the prophet hath said before us in Hebrew, and so truly translate the scripture, that never a Jew in the world, may have just cause to accuse our falsehood or partiality. And how cold soever the term of wind seem to your crooked mind, and how naked soever the interpretation be thought of your cloaked hypocrisy, it is the word of the everliving God, and the true sense thereof, as it is expressed by the Prophet. Likewise, Psalm 147. the Prophet showeth who doth execute the commandment of God, in thawing, & dissolving the frost namely, the wind, which being southerly, we see the effect of it, what need we here to cause the holy ghost to be sent to melt the ice.
MART. 4. And it is not unlike to this, that you will not translate for the Angels honor that carried Abacu • , He set him into Babylon over the lake by the force of his spirit: but thus, through a mighty wind, so attributing it to the wind, not to the Angels power, and omitting clean the Greek pronoun 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , his, which showeth evidently, that it was the Angels spirit, force, and power.
FULK. 4 That we have translated in the story of Abacuks taking up, that it was through a mighty wind, it hath good probability by the circumstance of the place, and the signification of 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , which is a force with with a noise, is more apt to the wind, than to the spirit. And in other writers 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , is taken for the vehement noise of winds: but the pronoun, I confess, should not have been omitted, and then it may be referred, either to the wind, or spirit of God, whose Angel this is said to be: rather than to the Angel. For the Angel being nothing but a spirit, it is not so convenient to say, by his spirit, as by his own force: again, the pronoun is not 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , but 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , whereof you made great difference, as in deed there is difference in another case.
MART. 5. Again, where the Prophets speak most manifestly of Christ, there you translate clean another thing: as Esa. 30. v. 20. When S. Jerome translateth thus, & the church hath always red accordingly▪ Non faciet auolare à te vltra Doctorem tuum: & erunt oculi tui videntes praeceptorem tuum. that is, And (our Lord) shall not cause thy Doctors to fly from thee anymore: and thine eyes shall see thy Master. Which is all one in effect, with that which Christ saith, I will be with you unto the e • de of the word. there you translate thus, Thy rain shall be no more kept back: but thine eyes shall see thy rain. So likewise Joel 2. v. 23. where the holy Church readeth, Rejoice you children of Zion in the Lord your God: because he hath given you the Doctor of justice: there you translate, the rain of righteousness. Doth the Hebrew word force you to this? you Jews thenselves, partly understand it of Esdras, partly of Christ's Divinity. Why are you more profane (I will not say more Iudaical • ) than the Jews themselves? why might not S. Jerome a Christian Doctor and lacking no skill in the Hebrew (as you well know) satisfy you, who maketh no doubt but the Hebrew in these places is; Doctor, Master, Teacher? Who also (in Psal. 84. 7.) translateth thus, With blessings shall the Doctor be arrayed: meaning Christ. Where you with the later Rabbin's, the enemies of Christ, translate, The rain co • ereth the pools. What cold stuff is this in respect of that other translation, so clearly pointing to Christ out Master & doctor?
FULK. 5. I have told you in the beginning of this chapter, we must not, neither is it safe for the strengthening of our faith, to draw places of Scripture unto Christ, which by the holy Ghost had another meaning: so shall the Jews laugh us to scorn, and the faith of the ignorant, which is grounded upon such translation, if it shall be opened unto them, that it is untrue, shall be mightily shaken, and brought in doubt of all other places of Scripture, applied to the like ende. God be thanked, there be plain and evident testimonies of Christ, in the Scripture, which no malice of Jewish or Heathenish enemies, can wrest out of our hands, which are sufficient for instruction, and confirmation of our faith. Now concerning those places, where you would have 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , to signify a Doctor, Teacher, or Master: first, it seemeth you have your Hebrew, but from hand to mouth: for chapter 3. sect. 25. whereas we translate, moreh shaker, a teacher of lies, Abacuc. 2. you say, we translate another thing, without any necessary pretence of Hebrew, or Greek: and here you would have it of the necessity of the Hebrew, that we should translate a teacher: yet Pagnine in the root 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , whereunto you refer us, saith, that Isaiah, the 30. verse 20. this word is taken either for rain, or for a teacher, Joel the 2. he maketh no question▪ but it signifieth rain: saving that some think it to be the name of a place. In the third place, Psalm 84. after he hath told you, how Jerome translateth it, he telleth you how R. David, and other do translate it for rain, as we do: and in all these places, the sense is more proper for rain, than for a teacher, saving that in Isaiah, perhaps, it may signify more aptly a teacher, and so the Geneva translation noteth it. In Joel, where the Prophet before had threatened famine through drought, nothing is so convenient to be understood, as seasonable rain. In the Psalm 84. where the Prophet commendeth the courage of the people that travailed to Jerusalem, through the dry deserts, and places that wanted water, it is moste apt to understand, that God filleth their pits with rain, for their comfort. This, how cold soever it is counted of you that care not whereon faith should be grounded, yet is it an hundred times more comfortable to a godly conscience, that desireth to be established in truth, than any violent wresting of the Scripture, from the true and natural sense, to any other interpretation, how good in show soever it be.
MART. 6. And again, where S. Jerome translateth, and the Church readeth, and all the fathe • s interpret and expound accordingly, There shall be faith in thy times: to express the marvelous faith that shall be then, in the first Christians specially, even unto death, and in all the rest concerning the hidden mysteries of the new Testament: there you translate, There shall be stability of thy times. The Prophet joineth together there, judgment, justice, faith, wisdom, knowledge, the fear of our Lord: you for a little ambiguity of the Hebrew word, turn faith into stability.
FULK. 6. The word stability Isaiah. 33. v. 6. excludeth not faith, but showeth wherein faith is grounded. And therefore, this is as all the rest, a fond quarrel, without any good ground at all. Seeing our translation may stand with the truth of the words, and of the matter, and comprehendeth as much as you would have, and more also. Yea it showeth that faith is settled upon stability, and steadfastness of truth, which shall flourish in the time of Christ.
MART. 7. If I should burden you with translating thus also concerning Christ, Cease from the man whose breath in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be esteemed? You would say I did you wrong, because it is so pointed now in the Hebrew. Whereas you know very well by S. Jerome's commentary upon that place, that this is the Jews pointing or reading of the word, against the honor of Christ: the true reading and translation being as he interpreteth it, for he is reputed high▪ and therefore beware of him. Otherwise (as S. Jerome saith) what a consequence were this, or who would commend any man thus, Take heed ye offend not him, who is nothing esteemed? yet that is your translation. Neither doth the Greek help you which (if the accent be truly put) i • thus, because he is reputed for somebody or something▪ as S. Paul speaketh of the chief Apostles, and it is our phrase in the commendation of a man.
FULK. 7. So long as you acknowledge, we have translated truly according to the Hebrew text that we read, there is no reason, that you should burden us with false interpretation. The Septuaginta, as Jerome confesseth, did read as we do, and plain it is, not oneli • by the vowels, but also by the contexte, that so it must be read. For the Prophet dissuadeth the people from putting affiance in any mortal man, for God will bring down the pride of all such, as they trust moste in, as it followeth in the next chapiter, whereof this verse should be the beginning. The dismembering whereof, by the ill division of the Chapiter, deceived Jerome, to think the Prophet spake of Christ, when he spake of a proud man▪ whose breath was in his nostrils, and therefore he was of no strength: even as David useth the same argument, Psalm. 146. for the purpose, The Chaldee Paraphrase also did read, even as the Septuaginta.
MART. 8. The like excuse you would have by alleging the Hebrew vowels, if you were told, that you much obs • ure a notable saying of the prophet concerning Christ, or rather the speech of Christ himself by his prophet, saying: I have spoken by the Prophets, and I have multiplied vision, and in the hand of the Prophets, (that is, by the Prophets) have I been resembled. Which later words do exceedingly express, that all the Prophets spake of Christ: as o • r Savior himself declareth, beginning from Moses and all the Prophets to interpret unto the two disciples, the things that concerned him: & as S. Pet • r saith in these words, Al the prophets from Samuel and that spake after him did tell of these days. This prophecy then being so consonant to these speeches of the • ewe Testament, the Greek also being word for word so, the Hebrew by changing one little prick (which the latter Jews have added at their own pleasure) being fully so as we • eade with the Catholic Church: why pretend you the Jews authority to maintain another less Christian translation, which is thus: I use similitudes by the ministry of the Prophets. as though there were nothing there concerning Christ▪ or the second person peculiarly?
FULK. 8. Seeing our Savior Christ hath promised, that never a prick of the law shall perish, we may understand the same also of the Prophets, who have not received the vowels of the latter Jews, but even of the Prophets themselves, howsoever that heathenish opinion pleaseth you, and other Papists.
MART. 9. You will also perhaps allege, not only the later Jews, but also some later Catholic men, that so translate the Hebrew. But the difference between them and you, is, that they, with reverence and pre • erment always of S. Hi • roms, and the Churches a ••• ient translation, tell us how it is now in the Hebrew: you, with derogation and disannulling the same altog • there, set down your own, as the only true interpretation according to the Hebrew: a • ouching the Hebrew that now i • , and as now it is printed, to be the only authenti cal truth of the old Testament. Where you can never answer us, howe that in the Ps. 22. As a lion my hand and my feet, (as now it is in the Hebrew) can be the true and old authentical Hebrew, which none of the fathers knew, the ancient Rabbin's condemn as a corruption, yourselves translate it not, but after the old accustomed reading, They have pierced my hands & my feet. Which is a notable prophecy of our Saviors kind and manner of Passion, being crucified on the Cross. Onelye the later Jews, and such Heretics, as think he died upon a gallow • s or gibbes, and not upon the Cross, they like this Hebrew textwel, and stand upon i • , as you do upon all without exception, and yet, when it cometh to certain particulars, you are compelled to forsake it. as in certain other places▪ for example.
FULK. 9. Isidorus Clarius, retaining the word, assi • ulatus sum, doth thus expound it, in his note. Hoc est voluntatem meam similitudinibus & varijs l • cutioni • gene • ibu • • locutus sum. That is, I have uttered my will by similitudes and diverse kinds of speech: you see therefore, howe you are deceived in aduouching this matter of your own pseudocatholikes, when this Bishop, not departing from your reading, yet expoundeth this text according to the Hebrew, and was allowed in so doing, by the Deputies of the Council of Trent, whose sensure was observed in printing this Bible. Where you repeat yet once again, that we can never answer that of a lion, Psa. 22. you show your skil, and great reading▪ I have answered before in the preface sect. 44. that we forsake the Hebrew in this, or in any other, it is utterly false, for we follow no text, but the Hebrew, so near as we can understand it, & express it.
MART. 10. Where the Hebrew saith, Achaz king of Israel, 2. Paralip. 28. v. 19. which is not true, you are compelled to translate, Achaz king of Judah, as the truth is, and as it is in the Greek and the vulgar Latin. yet some of your Bibles follow the falsehood of the Hebrew.
FULK. 10. While you take upon you, to discover faults in the Hebrew text, you bring three examples, which if they were all faults, contain no matter of doctrine, whereby we may be deceived in any article of faith. The first is, that Achaz, z. Chr. 28. v. 19. is called King of Israel, whereas he was King only of Judah. But I pray you sir, was not Judah parte of Israel? why might he not then be called a king, or one of the Kings of Israel? The Queen of England, may well be called Regina Brytanniae, although there be a King in Scotland. Although there may be another cause why Achaz is called King of Israel, because in his days when Pekah the son of Remaliah was slain, the kingdom of Israel, that had continued from Jereboam's time, until then, was now in a manner decayed. For Hosea was of small power, and made tributary to the King of Assyria, and peradventure also in the time of Achaz was kept in prison: as it is certain he was emprisoned, 2. Reg. 17. v. 4. so that, when there was none other King of Israel to account of, Achaz might be called king of Israel, as also in the same chapter the last verse, though he were buried at Jerusalem, and in the city of David, it is said, that he was not laid in the sepulchers of the Kings of Israel: where your vulgare Latin text hath, Israel, and not Judah.
MART. 11. Likewise, where the Hebrew saith, Zedekiah his brother, meaning the brother of Joachim, you translate, Zedekiah his fathers brother, as indeed the truth is, according to the Greek, and to the Scripture, 4. Reg. 24. v. 19. and therefore your Bible which followeth the Hebrew here also, translating, his brother, yet in the margen: putteth down a • more true, uncle.
FULK. 11. This argueth no fault in the Hebrew text, but gross ignorance of the Hebrew • ong in you, which knew not, that ach, signifieth, not only a brother, but also, any other kinsman, as the uncle, cousins, and such like, as, Gen. 13. Abraham and Lot, are called brethrē, yet was Abraham Lots uncle, Deut. 25. when brethren shall dwell together, the law of marrying the brothers wife, that died without issue, there the word brethren pertaineth to kinsmen far off, as appeareth in the story of Ruth, ca. 3. & 4. finally, it is a thing so commonly known to thē, which have but a little smack in the Hebrew tongue, that I will spend no time about it. And evē your vulgar translation in some ancient copies, hath fratrem, & not patr • ū, as you may see in the Bible printed by Plantin 1567.
MART. 12. Likewise in another place, the hebrewe is so out of frame, that some of your Bibles say, he begat Azuba of his wife Azuba. and othersome translate, He begat Ierioth of his wife Azuba: the Hebrew being thus: he begat Azu ba his wife and I • rioth, which, neither you, nor any man else can easily tell what to make of. Thus you see howe easy it were (if a man would multiply such examples) to show by your own testimonies the corruption of the Hebrew, and that your selves do not, nor dare not exactly follow it, as of the Greek text of the New Testament also is declared else where.
FULK. 12. The third fault you find, is 1. Chron. 2. v. 18. where the interpretors are deceived, while they take eth, for a sign of the accusative case, which in that place, as in diverse other, is taken for a preposition, of, or by, as Gen. 4. Eve saith, I have obtained a son eth Jehovah, of the Lord, or by the Lord's gift, &c. Gen. 44. they were gone out eth hayir, of, or from the city. So here the true translation of this verse in question, is this. Caleb the son Chet • ron, begat of Azuba, his wife, and of Ierioth: that is, he had children by these two women, Azuba his wife, and Ierihoth, which was his concubine, so they called them, that were lawful wives, in respect of matrimony, but yet had not the honor of wives, but being of base condition before they were married, so continued: by this Ier • hath he had those three sons, that in this verse are named, his children by Azuba are named afterward, verse. 42. Wherefore here is no fault in the Hebrew, but in your vulgare translator, which maketh Ierihoth the son of Azuba, and addeth to the text, because he understood it not. It is false therefore that you say, we dare not follow the Hebrew, because some translator, by oversight, hath not attained to the right understanding thereof: as also, that we dare not exactly follow the Greek of the new Testament, which we desire to follow as exactly as we can.
MART. 13. But it is greater marvel, why you follow not the Hebrew in other places also, where is no corruption. You protest to translate it according to the points or vowels that now it hath, and that you call the Hebrew verity. Tel me then I beseech you, why do you in all your Bibles translate thus, O Virgin, daughter of Zion, he hath despised thee, and laughed thee to scorn: ô daughter of Jerusalem he hath shaken his head at thee. In the Hebrew, Greek, S. Jerome's translation and commentary, it is clean contrary, The Virgin daughter of Zion, hath despised thee (O Assur:) the daughter of Jerusalem hath shakē her head at thee. All are the foeminine gender, and spoken of Zion literally, and of the Church spiritually triumphing over Assur, and all her enemies: you translate all as of the masculine gender, and apply it to Assur, insulting against Jerusalem, &c. I cannot conceive what this translation meaneth, and I would gladly know the reason, and I would have thought it some gross oversight, but that I find it so in all your English Bibles, and not only in this place of Isaiah, but also in the books of the kings, 4. Reg. 19. where the same words are repeated. And it is no less marvel unto us, that know not the reason of your doings, why you have left out Alleluia nine times in the six last Psalms, being in the Hebrew nine times more than in your translation: specially when you know that it is the ancient and joyful song of the Primitive Church. See the new English Testament, Annot. Apoc. 19.
FULK. 13. It seemeth that our translators followed too much the judgment of the Tigurine translator, who, what reason moved him so to translate, I know not, it seemeth they weighed not well the Hebrew in that place, but such is man's frailty, that he is apt and easy t • • b deceived, if he be not very vigilant, and attentive in those cases. And the example of one man's error, that is of credit, soon draweth other men into the same, by countenance of his authority. Nevertheless two of our translations, the Bishops Bible, and Couerdales Bible, translate the very same words according to the Hebrew, 2. Reg. 19. referring the saying against Sennacherib despised, and laughed to scorn by Jerusalem. And therefore you say untruly, that is is in all our English Bibles, 4. Reg. 19. Where you marvel, why we have left out Alleluia nine times in the six last Psalms, I marvel as much, why you should so say: for in the Bishops Bible which I have, and which you call Bib. 1577. It is ten times in the five last Psalms, and ten times there is in the translation, Praise ye the Lord. In the 145. it is not in the Hebrew. But in the other five Psalms, it is both in the beginning, and in the ende of everyone of them.
MART. 14. Again, you translate thus: Many which had seen the first house, when the foundation of this house was laid before their eyes, wept, &c. Look well to your Hebrew, and you shall find it according both to the Greek and the Latin, thus: Many which had seen the first house in the foundation thereof, (that is, yet standing upon the foundation, not destroyed) and this temple before their eyes, wept. You imagined that it should be meant, they saw Solomon's temple, when it was first founded, which because it was impossible, therefore you translated otherwise than is in the Hebrew, Greek, and Latin. But yet in some of your Bibles, you should have considered the matter better, and translated accordingly.
FULK. 14. The Hebrew is indifferent, Ezra. 3. to either of both translations, and the sense is all one, whether beiasedho be referred to the first house, named before, or to this house before their eyes, which followeth. And therefore your conjecture of our imagination, as in other places, is no more bold, than vain.
MART. 15. And surely why you should translate (4. Reg. 23. v. 13.) On the right hand of mount Oliuete, rather than as it is in the vulgar Latin: and why, Ye abject of the Gentiles, Esa. 45. v. 20. rather than, ye that are saved of the Gentiles: you belike know some reason, we do not, neither by the Hebrew, nor the Greek.
FULK. 15. The Geneva Bible hath according to the Hebrew, the mount of corruption, which was in deed the Mount Olivet, as is proved by 1. Reg. 11. v. 7. and 2. Sam. 15. v. 30. and of the fruitfulness of oil was called Mischethith: but in this place, in detestation of the idolatry, is called Maschith, signifying corruption, as Bethel was called Bethaven. Osec. 4. v. 15.
In Isaiah 45. two of our translations, have according to the usual signification of the Hebrew word pelitei, you that escaped of the people, but that the word also signifieth an abject, you might have learned by Pagnine, and so ceased to have marvelled, why the Geneva Bible translateth, you abjects of the Gentiles. As your own vulgar translation, Ier. 44. trāslateth it, of them that fled, or fugitiues.
MART. 16. Howbeit in these lesser things (though nothing in the Scripture is to be counted little) you might perhaps more freely have taken your pleasure, in following neither Hebrew, nor Greek: but when it concerneth a matter no less than usury, there by your false translation to give occasion unto the Reader, to be an usurer, is no small fault, either against true religion, or against good manners. This you do most evidently in your most authentical translations, saying thus: Thou shalt not hurt thy brother by usury of money, nor by usury of corn, nor by usury of anything that he may be hurt withal. What is this to say, but that usury is not here forbidden, unless it hurt the party that boroweth, which is so rooted in most men's hearts, that they think such usury very lawful, and daily offend mortally that way. Where Almightye God in this place of holy Scripture, hath not a word of hurting, or not hurting, (as may be seen by the Geneva Bibles,) but saith simply thus: Thou shalt not lend to thy brother to usury, usury of money, usury of meat, usury of anything that is put to usury.
MART. 17. Mark the Hebrew, and the Greek, and see, and be ashamed, that you strain and pervert it, to say for, Non foenerabis fratri tuo, which is word for word in the Greek, and Hebrew, Thou shalt not hurt thy brother by usury. If the Hebrew word in the use of holy Scripture, do signify, to hurt by usury, why do you in the very next words following, in the self same Bibles translate it thus, unto a stranger thou mayst lend upon usury, but not unto thy brother? Why said you not, A stranger thou mayst hurt with usury, but not thy brother? Is it not all one word & phrase, here and before? And if you had so translated it here also, the Ie • es would have thanked you, who by forcing the Hebrew word as you do, think it very good to hurt any stranger, that is, any Christian, by any usury, be it never so great.
FULK. 16. & 17. You say well, that in the Scripture, nothing is to be counted little, and therefore, even in these little things, we have endeavored to follow the Hebrew, and have so well followed it, that though you say much, yet you can prove little against us. But concerning this text of usury, whereof you would make us great patrons, it is marvel that you cannot find in your Dictionaries, that the verb, nashach, signifieth to bite, at least wise you should have regarded, that your vulgar Latin Interpretor, Num. 21. trāslateth it to strike, or hurt, as they were, that were hurt, or bitten by the fiery serpents. The consent of all Hebritians also is, that neshech, the name of usury, is derived of biting, and hurting, wherefore the Bishops Bible, meaning to express, that all usury is hurtful, according to the etymology of the word, rather than to defend, that any usury is lawful, other than such as God him self alloweth. And therefore it had been well to have translated also in the next verse, a stranger mayst thou bite, or hurt with usury, howsoever the Jews would take it, whose abhominable usury, under pretence of that place, sure I am, our translators purpose was not to defend.
MART. 18. What shall I tell you of other faults, which I would gladly account oversights or ignorances, such as we also desire pardon of, bus all are not such, though some be. As, Two thousand, (written at length) to them that keep the fruit thereof. In the Hebrew, and Greek, two hundred. Again, in the same book, c. 1. v. 4. As the fruits of Cedar. in the Hebrew, and Greek, Tabernacles. And, Ask a sign either in the depth or in the height above, for, in the depth of Hell. And, Great works are wrought by him. for, do work in him. as S. Paul useth the same word, 2. Cor. 4. v. 12. And, To make ready an horse. Act. 23. v. 24. in the Greek, beasts, And. If a man on the Sabbath day receive circumcision, without breaking of the law of Moses. Io. 7. v. 23. For, to the end that the law of Moses be not broken. And, The son of man must suffer many things, and be reproved of the elders, Mar. 8. v. 31. For, be rejected. As in the Psalm, The stone which the builders rejected, we say not, reproving of the said stone, which is Christ. And 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , a young scholar, in all your translations, falsely. And, Simon of Canaan or Simon the Canaanite, who is called otherwise, Zealots, that is Zelous, as an interpretation of the Hebrew word, Cananaeus: which I marvel you considered not, specially considering that the Hebrew word for Zelous, and the other for a Canaanite, begin with diverse letters. And, least at any time we should let them slip. For, least we slip or run by, and so be lost.
FULK. 18. The first in Can. 8. is doubtless the printers fault, who did read in the written copy, one Cypher to much. That the second Can. 1. v. 5. was the printers fault, which did read fruits for tents, it is plain by the note upon the word Kedar, which is this, Kedar was Ischmaels son, of whom came the Arabians, that dwelt in tents. In the third place Isaiah 7. there lacketh this word (beneath) or toward the pit downward, for Shealah is here opposite to Lemayelah above, or upward, which omission, I know not whether it is to be imputed to the negligence of the Printer, or of the translators, but not withstanding the sense is all one. In the fourth text also, there is no difference for the meaning, and some are of opinion, that 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , may be taken passively, as 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , Beza in Marc. 6. v. 14. other translations turn it actively. In the fifth text. Act. 23. if for an horse, they had said horses, it had been no fault, for it is not like they rod upon Asses, or Camels. The word signifieth beasts, that are possessed, and of possession they be called 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , but here it is certain, beasts meet for carriage of men are signified. In the sixte, John. 7. v. 23. I think the translators were deceived, supposing that 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 might be translated, so that the law of Moses be not broken, as perhaps it may: but hereof I will not determine, commonly 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 signifieth to the ende: yet is there no ungodly sense contained in this translation. The seventh, Mar. 8. v. 31. Is but a knot in a rushe: for reproved in that place, signifieth nothing but refused, or rejected. Your vulgar Latin saith Reprobari, which is plainly to be reproved, and 1. Pet. 2. The stone which the builders reproved, Reprobauerunt, refused. By reproved, they do not mean reprehended, or rebuked, but utterly refused, and not accepted. The eight, Neophytus, a young scholar, as I have shown before is better Englished, than a Neophyte, which is neither Greek, Latin, nor English. The ninth, is corrected in two translations, and the Geneva Bible telleth you, that for Canaanite you may read Zealous, so that we are not beholding to you for this correction, as it seemeth you would have us. Touching the tenth text, Heb. 2. both those translations that say: least at any time we should let them slip, have this note in the margent, by which they declare they mean even as you would have them say: least like vessels full of chappes we leak, and run out on every parte, for vessels that do run out, do let go or let slip that licour that is put into them.
MART. 19. And as for the first Bible, which was done in hast, and not yet corrected, but is printed still a fresh: that saith, With Herod's servants, as though that were the only sense: that calleth idiotas lay men: 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , a ship: 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , wondering: 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , are gone out: 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , his substance: and, To know the excellent love of the knowledge of Christ. For, the love of Christ that excelleth knowledge. And, of men that turn away the truth. For, that shun the truth and turn away from it. And, Mount Sina is Agar in Arabia. For, Agar is mount Sina, &c.
FULK. 19. The first Bible was not that you mean, but not much differing from it, neither was it done in hast, but with as good cōsideratiō, as god gave for that time: neither was it printed these 22. years, for ought I know, which you say is printed still a fresh. In that Bible Herod's servants, put for the Herodians, was lack of knowledge of what sect the Herodiās should be. Idiotas, Lay mē, is no more fault, than, of the vulgar sort, which you say. The ship for the Ark, is a small fault, seeing that ark into which Noah entered, was a ship, or in steed of a ship. The woēdring, for the tumult, is a populer term: for so they call a great noise made by a multitude. The lamps are gone out, or are quenched, I know not what great difference may be in it. His substance 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , I know not where you mean, except it be Mark. 13. where Erasmus noteth, that he hath red in some copy 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , substance, which seemeth to agree aptly with the place. In the text Eph. 3. the true translation is as we have corrected it in the later editions: yet the words may bear that other interpretation also. In Titus the first, the participle is of the mean voice, and therefore may signify actively or passively. In Gal. the transposition, Sina before Agar, seemeth to be the fault of the Printer, rather than of the translator.
MART. 20. Let these and the like be small negligences or ignorances, such as you will pardon us also, if you find the like. Neither do we greatly mislike, that you leave those words, Vrim and Thummim, and Chemarim, and Ziims, and Iims, untranslated, because it is not easy to express them in English: and we would have liked as well in certain other words, which you have translated, images, images, and still, images, being as hard to express the true signification of them, as the former. And we hope you will the rather bear with the late Catholic translation of the English Testament, that leaveth also certain words untranslated, not only because they cannot be expressed, but also for reverence and religion (as S. Augustine saith) and greater majesty of the same.
FULK. 20. Some in deed are small faults, some none at all. That you mislike us not, for not translating a few words, whose signification is unknown, or else they cannot be aptly expressed in the English tongue, it is of no equity towards us, but that you might under that shadow, creep away with so huge a multitude of words, which may as well be translated, as any in the Bible, and that in the New Testament, which is scarce the sixte parte of the whole Bible. The words which we have translated Images, are out of question terms signifying Images, and of your translator, they be called either imagines, simulachra, sculptilia, Idola, &c. Our English tongue, being not so fruitful of words, we call them sometimes Idols, sometimes Images, which when we speak of worshipped images, can be none other, but such as you call Idols. To obscure such a multitude of words, & so much matter by them, as you do, S. Augustine will not warrant you, who speaketh only of two, or three words usually received in the Latin Church in his time, not of such a number as you have counterfaited.
MART. 21. Of one thing we can by no means excuse you, but it must savor vanity, or novelty, or both. As when you affectate new strange words which the people are not acquainted with all, but it is rather Hebrew to them than English: 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , as Demosthenes speaketh, uttering with great countenance and majesty, Against him came up Nabucadnezzar king of Babel, 2. Par. 36. v. 6. for, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon: Saneherib, for Sennacherib: Michaiahs prophecy, for Michaeas: Jehoshaphat's prayer, for Iosaphats: Uzzah slain, for Oza. When Zerubbabel went about to build the Temple, for Zerubbabel: Remember what the Lord did to Miriam, for Marie, Deut. 34. And in your first translation, Elisa for Elisaeus, Pekahia and Pekah for Phaceia and Phacee, Vziahu for Ozias, Thiglath-peleser for Teglath-phalasar, Ahaziahu for Ochozias: Peka the son of Remaliahu, for, Phacee the son of Romelia. And why say you not as well Shelomoh for Solomon, and Coresh for Cyrus, and so alter every word frō the known sound & pronunciatiō thereof? Is this to teach the people, whē you speak Hebrew rather than English? Were it a good. • y hearing (think you) to say for JESUS, Ieshuah, and for MARIE his mother, Miriam: and for Messias, Messiach, and John, Iachannan, and such like monstrous novelties? which you might as well do, and the people would understand you as well, as when our preachers say, Nabucadnezer King of Babel.
FULK. 21. Seeing the moste of the proper names of the old Testament were unknown to the people, before the Scripture was read in English, it was best to utter them according to the truth of their pronunciation in Hebrew, rather than after the common corruption, which they had received in the Greke and Latin tongs. But as for those names which were known unto the people out of the new Testament, as Jesus, John Marie, &c. it had been folly to have taught mē to sound thē otherwise than after the Greke declination, in which we find them.
MART. 22. When Zwingli your great Patriarke did read in Munsters translation of the old Testament, Iehizkiabu, Iehezchel, Choresh, Darianesch, Beltzezzer, and the like, for, Hezekiah, Ezekiel, Cyrus, Darius, Baltasar: he called them barbarous voices, and vnciuil speeches, and said, the word of God was soiled and depraved by them. Know you not, that proper names alter and change, and are written and sounded in every language diversely? Might not all antiquity, and the general custom, both of reading and hearing the known names of Nebuchadnezzar, and Michaeas, and Ozias, suffice you, but you must needs invent other which the people never heard, rather for vain ostentation, to amaze and astonish them, than to edification and instruction Which is an old heretical fashion, noted by Eusebius, lib 4. c. 10. and by the author of the imperfect commentaries upon S. Matthew, ho. 44. and by S. Augustine, lib. 3. c. 26. contra Cresconium.
FULK. 22. That Zwingli is no Patriarke of ours, you may know by this, that we do freely dissent from him, when we are persuaded that he dissenteth from the truth. But where you charge us, with an heretical fashion in sounding Hebrew names, according to the truth of the Hebrew tongue if your authors be well weighed, they will convince you of an heretical fashion, in framing of new words, which are more apt to amaze and astonishe men, than to instruct or edify them: and in using straūg language in all your Church service, and in that also diverse Hebrew words. So did the Marcosians, of whom Eusebius out of Irenaeus writeth in baptising. And the author of the imperfect work upon Matthew, though him self an Heretike, yet truly saith of heretic Priests,
MART. 23. What shall I speak of your affectation of the word Iehôua (for so it pleaseth you to accent it) in steed of Dominus, the Lord: whereas the ancient fathers in the very Hebrew text did read and sound it rather Adonai, as appeareth both by S. Jerome's translation, and also his commentaries, and I would know of them the reason, why in the Hebrew Bible, whensoever this word is joined with Adonai, it is to be read Elohim, but only for avoiding Adonai, twice together. This I say we might justly demand of these that take a pride in using this word Iehôua, so often, both in English and Latin, though otherwise we are not superstitious, but as occasion serveth, only in the Hebrew text, we pronounce it and read it Again we might ask them, why they use not as well Elohim in steed of Deus, God: and so of therest, changing all into Hebrew, that they may seem gay fellows, and the people may wonder as their wonderful and mystical divinity.
FULK. 23. In our English translation, Jehovah is very seldom used in other speech, no wise man useth it oftener, than there is good cause why. And when there is cause, we have no superstition in pronouncing it, as we are not curious in accēting it. Although, perhaps you quarrel at our accent, because you cannot discern between time and time. The middle syllable we know to be long, whether it be to be eleuated we make no question, we know where the accent is in the Hebrew, but we think not that all accents be sharp, and eleuate that syllable in which they are. It is a great matter, that you demand the reason why ioygned to Adonai, it is to be red Elohim, you should rather demand why it is otherwise pointed, when it is ioygned with Adonai, for being pointed as it is, I see not why it should not be read according to the vowels, Adonai Jehovah. Many other questions might be moved, about the names of God, in pronouncing or writing of which we know the Jews were reuerente, even to superstition: and therefore in books that should come in all men's hands, made other alterations, than you speak of, and yet retained in other authentical copies, the true letters and pointes. If any desire vain gloriously to utter his skill in the tongues, when he should edify the people, of all them that be wise and learned, he is misliked for so doing.
MART. 24. To conclude, are not your scholars (think you) much bound • unto you, for giving them in steed of God's blessed word and his holy Scriptures, such translations, heretical, Iudaical, profane, false, negligent, fantastical, new, naught, monstrous? God open their eyes to see, and mollify your hearts to repent of all your falsehood and treachery, both that which is manifestly convinced against you and cannot be denied, as also that which may by some show of answer be shifted of in the sight of the ignorant, but in your consciences is as manifest as the other.
FULK. 24. Happy and thrice happy hath our English nation been, since God hath given learned translators, to express in our mother tongue the heavenly mysteries of his holy word, delivered to his Church in the Hebrew and Greek languages. Who, although they have in some matters of no importance unto salvation, as men been deceived: yet have they faithfully delivered the whole substance of the heavenly doctrine, contained in the holy Scriptures, without any heretical translations, or willful corruptions. And in the whole Bible among them all have committed as few oversights for anything that you can bring, and of less importance, than you have done only in the new Testament. Where beside so many omissions, even out of your own vulgar Latin translation, you have taken upon you, to alter that you found in your text, and translate that, which is only in the margent, & is red but in few written copies. As for Italia you say A • talia, noted before Heb. 13. for placuerunt you translate latuerunt, 2. Pet.2. for coinquinationis which is in the text, you translate coinquinationes, which was found but in one only copy, by Hentenius, as the other but in one or two of thirty diverse copies, most written.
A brief table to direct the Reader to such places as Martin in this boke cavilleth to be corrupted in diverse translations of the English Bibles, by order of the books, chapters, & verses of the same, with some other quarrels against Beza, and others for their Latin translations, with the aunsweares of W. Fulke.
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Genesis.
- CHap. 4. v. 7. pag. 31. numb. 28. and pag. 316. num. 9.
- chap. 14. v. 18. p. 55. numb. 42. and pag. 447.
- chap. 34. v. 35. p. 206. num. 7.
- chap. 42. v. 38. p. 216. num. 12.
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4. of the Kings.
- Chap. 29. v. 5. p. 501. numb. 6.
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2. Paralipomenon.
- Chap. 28. v. 19. p. 518. nu. 10.
- chap. 38. v. 8. p. 116. num. 19. and p. 4 • 3. num. 1.
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1. Esdras.
- Chap. 9. v. 5. p. 373. num. 16.
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Psalms.
- Psal. 48. v. 16. p.