Positions of the Word Hades
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Logan West
(with David Jonescue and Alex Sarrouf)
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POSITIONS OF THE WORD Hades:
THAT IT IS the general place of Souls: and holdeth as well the Godly which are in Paradise, as the wicked that are in Tartarus.
WITH A CATALOGVE of our heresies, from which one word handled by a right Grecian would have saved us.
TO the BB. of England.
BY HVGH BROVGHTON 1605.
OF HADES, THE place of Souls: diverse speeches where it is.
1. The Greeks universally since their tongue hath been in record, holding truly in speech, that man's soul is immortal, Place the souls of the dead in Hades. But where they should place it, that could not be know̄ of thē which had not faith to perceive that by the word of God two worlds were made.
2. Saturn and Iapetus, sent of Jupiter into Hades, held the other Haemisphere. And Plato in Phaedone proveth that seeing the earth is in the middes, Hades ūder the earth, to our Situation, must be as far as the heavens.
3. Eustathius vpō Homer calting Haden for Iapet{us} the half globe vnseen, showeth that some place Haden beyond the Ocean. And Homer, in Ulysses journey to Hades, placeth it beyond the gates of the Sun.
4. The Greek fathers follow the Heathen in Phrase: who term the place of all dead, 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 under the ground. Yet they know that Abraham and such were in the Heavenly city. by Eb. XI. and that doth Basilius confess upon ps. 15, & 115, & 116. & many fathers in fragments upon the psalms joined to Athanasius. And Athanasius in mo places then twenty showeth that Hades to our L. was Holy Adams, & holy Abraham's Lodging. And whē the Porters of Hades treēbled: in that father, it was not for fear least the wicked should be rid from Gehenna: but least all the faithful should arise. And Even Gehēna in Chrysologus is by abuse of term Abraham's Lodg: whom & the rich man Eadem regio continebat. What vicinity is to souls in their world we cannot tell. And as we see the sun so far off better thē a man distant forty pases: So the speech passeth of Abraham with Eleazar that made God his strength, to the tormented: as though there were but a dingle, valley, or great ditch betwixt them: yet their listance may be far: though we must be spoken too: as man's capacity holdeth. And, by our Lord's warrant, Hades hath Abraham no less then the rich man. In that word Luc. 16. The Lord alloweth the general notiō of heathē Greek: That Hades is the place of all kind of Souls: Faithful & faithless.
5. By Josephus in Photios Librarj The bosom of Abraham is in Hades: and by the true Philo the Greek Jew of Alexandria, Abrahā leaving mortality is joined to the People of God, enjoying vncorruptiō, made equal unto Angels. And this sentence a late Jew R. Azarias hath translated into Hebrew: as being the Jews common opinion.
6. The learned Theodoret commendeth Plato's judgment for double judgments in Hades: joy for the just: & prison for the unjust. And he accepteth Plato's terms, though Plato knew not where Hades was.
7. The Jews in Zoar made from Simeon Ben Iochaj, of S. Paul's time, have Gehenna for the wicked: & Paradise for the Godly. And no third place. And in Aboth Rabbj Nathan Moses & all faithful are presently carried to God's throne. and rest under the throne. as the martyrs under the Altar. Ap. 6.
8. Our L. confirming the Jews term of Paradise, telleth the thief This day shalt thou be with me in Paradise. The Jews were taught by Prophets terms for the world to come: and those would the holy ghost confirm in the New Testament.
9. Some Greek fathers, not knowing Paradise for souls Lodge used from the Prophets scholars, thought it opened first to the thief: and so, Hades for the fathers to be a degree Lower: as doth Basil on pf. 49. yet he checketh himself.
10. S. Paul disputing with Hebrews in their plain manner, to Greeks was hard in this Eb. XI. God providing better for us, that they without us should not be perfected. He denied not to Abel, Enoch, Noah, Melchizedek Abrahā, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Barac, Gideon, Iepthe, Samson, Samuel, David his 37 worthies strong in Battle, the Sareptane, the Sunamite, Elias & vexed prophets, Ananias, Azarias, Misael & Daniel & the Maccabees, who died for hope of the better resurrection, he denied not to these all joy, that the Martyrs had: But disputed how the Law made nothing perfect in doctrine: without the Gospel manifested unto us, seen to the old fathers far off.
11. S. Paul was not a Lord of faith, but a teacher. And so he was to speak upon grounds which his enemies could not deny. And he protesteth he bringeth no new Principles. That Christ was to suffer, & being the first from the dead should show Light unto the world: this was all his difference from the Scribes. And his Epistle to the Hebrews in every member combateth with the Talmudiqnes: whose speeches if the Greek fathers had known, Abraham's Hades had not been thought, one thought in joy differing from his Iudaique Paradise: wherein he was equal to Angels.
12. Josephus Book for Abrahams bosom in Hades, fathered upon Irenęus, Justin Martyr, & one Gaius elected Bishop of the Gentiles, in Photios, sheeweth the Greeks common opinion: That they took Hades the General to Paradise dise & Gehenna. But when they feared speeches to Rabbins for the thiefes Paradise, & how the Patriarchs had not perfection without us. yet Theophilact wrestleth well up on S. Luc. 23. with both points. But now 1400. years the Greeks have staggered: Saying well and tottering upon their own sayings.
13. Without knowledge of Rabbins & Heathen Greeks, none can be a fit Bishop to expound soundly the Hebrew and the Greek Testament: & to show Constantly that Hades is the General for Heaven & Hell.
14. The Scribes hold universally that Sheol never distinguisheth Lots, but when it is taken for a spedy death, upon wickedness: and yet then no sure warrant, for to be Hell.
15. If any will be heaping Christians for Sheol to be Hell, against the most Learned Scribes, Rambam, the greatest Thalmudi{que} that ever was: who to. 1. 49. in a treatise of repentance sweateth to find the Metaphores for Hell, and all notes of it but never durst touch Sheol: if any will make our Barbarous to teach such Rabbins Hebrew, that mā making us ask off to Turks & Jews, Laboureth for Machmad more then many thousands that take his pay. And such should be bridled not honored.
1 The Pope thanketh GOD, who sent his S. to Hades, to bring the fathers to Paradise: This thank is foolish. They were & are still in Paradise: the joyful part of Hades. And they changed not their place, by our Lord's passage.
2. Some of ours say: The Church ever held that out L. went to Hell. The Jesuits of Mainz being demanded of their faith: which is in a Greek Epistle written by their chief Pater Nicol Serarius utterly deny that our L. went to worse Lodge then the fathers had. And no old Church went further that way then the Popish. So our Doctrine faileth, and falleth. And of reformed Churches Breame alone or with small company, holdeth Hell, to be named in the Creed.
3. Geneva made them selves ridiculous to all Greece: teaching imposibilities: that our L. went to paradise: and not to Hades. As if they were men & not Animalia.
4. The same in word deny the souls immortality. All Platoniques will tell thē that if the soul be immortal, it must needs go hence to Hades. Not only Theodoret named about: but also S. Luc. 16. alloweth Plato's speech. So Geneva tongue denieth the souls immortality: though it have a mind vndenying of it: and a good hope of the world of Souls: better thē the Jews: which say Gholā haneshamoth Gholam hanechamoth The world of souls is the world of Solace. But alas they hausmal hop, who deny Christ our only hope.
5. Geneva, saying: To descēd to Hell is to have the torments of Hell: would be ridiculous to three thousand years Greek: none ever took it so. Therin they do them selves exceeding great injury: showing that they miss in weighty matter: against the Perpetual use of the speech.
6. The same teaching in this order that our L. suffered: was crucified dead and buried, and suffered: Make the Penner of the Creed to be no Logician: that knew not in what order things were to be spoken.
7. The Souls immortality should specially be opened in the Creed: that the body being declared, how it was crucified dead, & buried: this article was needful: That our Lord his soul went unto the Father. That doth the Greek in speech of the faithful, signify. This goodly article the Geneveans exclude.
8. The assertion that our L. suffered Hell torments, appeareth not true by any Scripture. True modesty would look to Scripture phrases in handling our redemption. The WORD telleth our L. his danger, shame and reproach, were unspeakable: and that God left him ps. 22. unto pains and contumelies there set down. But that GOD forsook him: that is our own term. The word is Leave. And the psalm expoundeth the word. And Shabak in the Gospel, Syria{que} and in Dan. 4. is plainly to leave. As to leave the stumpes of the tree in the ground.
9. Calvin's vncircūspect words herein gave Papists much advantage: and troubled all Churches. Greek skill for one word would have holpen all.
10. Purgatory falleth whē. Hades Lodgeth all souls departed: & can have but Paradise & Gehenna for them.
11. Archb. Whitgift, was wise when he obtained by Syr Julius Caesar Q. Elizabeth's hand for M. Jeffrey K. fellow of the Kings College to pass over sea to confess his heresy: while he denied descēding to Hel in the Creed to mean in a Barbarous & shameful translation a going up to Paradise. And he was thankful in promise of 400 Lib. {per} annū: to his Catechizer. So that he would stir no more in the matter. Archb. Whitg. was well Learned in the common kind: and could see. When he the Arch. yielded, the inferior BB. should have done so: