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Richard Baxter (1615-1691) · 645,059 words · 2867 min

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only with Directions for determining of the Species, when the said Species is of uncertain, inconstant, mutable Dueness: He that faith a Duty of so great and standing necessity, is not so much as implicitly commanded in Scripture, doth plainly say, that besides the Scripture, which is insufficient, God hath either another more perfect Law for Supernaturals, or else, another part to add to the Scripture to make it perfect. Your Addition mollifieth the Matter in Terms, but I doubt scarce in Sense, for when you say that (the Texts where Imposition of Hands is spoken of commented upon by the universal Practice of the Church from the first Age, till this wild exorbitant last Century, seems a clear Evidence what the Will of Christ is, &c. ) I very much like the Words and Sense which they in propriety express, viz. That in a Matter of Fact, where Scripture is obscure, the Practice of the first, second, or third Centuries may be an excellent Commentary; that is, a help to understand them; much more the Practice of the universal Church in all Ages. But I must tell you, that it is not the Work of a Commentary on the Laws expressly to add such Precepts, about matters of such very great Concernment, as is the very being of the Republic, which are neither expressly, or implicitly in the Law itself, I must judge therefore, that you make the Churches Practice a real Law, though you thought meet to give it but the Title of a Comment. And I scarce approve of your comparative Terms of the Centuries as bad as this is? What! hath this Century, which hath been the only reforming Age, been worse than that before it, whose Corruptions it reformed? and worse than that of which Bellarmine saith, Hoc seculo nullum extitit indoctius vel infoelicius quo qui Mathematicae aut Philosophiae operam dabat, Magus vulgo putabatur: and that of which Espencaeus saith, that Greece nosce suspectum fuerit, Hebraicum prope Haereticum? What worse than the four or five foregoing Centuries, wherein Murderers, Traitors, common Whoremongers, Sodomites, Heretics were the pretended Heads of the Church, and grossly ignorant, superstitious and wicked ones were the conspicuous part of the Body. Will you appeal from this Century to those? Did you not even now confess, that (it is admirably worth our Consideration that when God stirred up the drowsy World to depart from Rome 's Superstitions and Idolatries, he bowed the Hearts of some of the Church-Officers to go along with them) Rome then was idolatrous. We departed from it, God stirred Men up, and bowed their Hearts thereto: I confess you may say as much for the proving of the Universal Churches Practice, in this Point, as in most, it being of constant and solemn use, and none that I know of, that ever opposed it. But if you hold this universal Practice to be the other part of God's Law, and do lay anything much on it in other Points, especially in Doctrinals, I would advise you to get better Proof of the Universality than others use to bring, who go that way. As the Romish Church is not the the Universal, nor the Romish and Greek together, so the Opinion of four or five, or more Fathers is no Evidence, of the Judgment of the universal Church: Till they are better agreed with themselves and one another; it is hard taking a view of the Judgment of the Church universal in them, in controverted Points. Till Origen, Tertullian, &c. cease to be accounted Heretics; till Firmilianus, Cyprian, and the Council of Carthage be better agreed with Stephen Bishop of Rome, till Ruffinus cease to be a Heretic to Jerome, and many the like Discords; it's hard seeing the Face of the Church universal in this Glass. I was but even now reading in Jerome, where he tells Austin, that there were quaedam Haeretica in his Writings against him; when yet to the impartial Reader, the angry Man, that morosus Senex, had the unsounder Cause. As long as the Writings of Clem. Alexander. Origen, atianus, pretended Dyonisius, Lactantius, with so many more, do tot erroribus scatere, as long as many Councils have so erred, and Council is a great Council, and some things are imposed by them, under the terrible Pennalty of Anathematizing, which Rome itself doth take unlawful to be observed, these are not perfect Indices of the Mind of Christ or the universal Church. Read Baronius himself, Tom. 3. what abundance of Errors in History he chargeth upon Epiphanius and others. I suppose you to have read Daille, and the Lord Digby on this; yet think not that I would detract from the due Estimation of the Fathers, or Councils, or from the necessity of Tradition to the use which I have expressed in the Preface to the Second part of my Book of Rest. But I know not well in the matter of Not-kneeling and Not-fasting on the Lord's Day, Not-reading the Books of Heathens, &c. how a Man should obey both the former Councils, and the present Church of Rome it self; yea, or how in matter of giving the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper to Insants, and other things the present Church and the former do agree. And I would know, whether it was not the Practice of that which you call the universal Church then, which the following Ages did alter and contradict. But all this part of the Answer is but occasional as to your Amplifications, and not to the matter under debate. I further answer you therefore, that the universal Practice of the Church doth prove no more but that it was done, and therefore by them judged a Duty to be done, and so not to be omitted while they could use it; all which I grant you. I am not one that would have Ordination used without Imposition, but in case of necessity: But it follows not from all this, that it is essential to Ordination; suppose a Church institute a new Ceremony, that every Bishop ordained shall have a Helmet on, to signify that he must fight valiantly as a Captain under Christ, and the Ordainer must lay his Hands on this: If I can prove that it hath been the universal Practice of the Church in nudum apertum caput manus imponere, doth it follow that this is essential, and the contrary null? If you ask, what necessity there can be of Ordination sine manum Impositione? I answer, very great and ordinary: viz. ut absentes ordinentur; for want of which the Church hath suffered, and may suffer very much. When a Man is in remote Parts of the World, and perhaps too scrupelous of playing the Bishop without Ordination, if he must travel over Land and Sea for Ordination, his Life may be gone, or most of it spent, while he is seeking Authority to use it for his Master. If a few only of the Ordainers were left in a Country, or in many Nations, and those imprisoned or forced to hide themselves, they might by an Instrument under their Hands Ordain, when they could not at all, or to one of a hundred by Imposition of Hands. But yet all this is but the least necessary part of my Answer to your Argument. To your Consequence therefore, I answer by denying it: If the Succession be interrupted, what necessity is there that the next must come in without Imposition of Hands, what show of such a Consequence? May not the illegitimate Ordainer imponere manus? Or may he not himself enter by Imposition of Hands, and yet be illegitimate, and his Calling null? If you think not only Imposition to be essential, but also that nothing else is essential, or that all are true Ministers that are ordained by a lawful Bishop per manum impositionem, then do you egriously tibi ipsi imponere. Suppose a lawful Bishop should ordain a Man into an unlawful Office, as to be the universal Bishop; or should ordain a known Heathen to be a Bishop by Imposition of Hands; were not this null? Yea, and many a lower case (as in case of Simony, &c. ) if Councils be of any Authority. Here then the Succession is interrupted, and yet this Man may Ordain others by Imposition of Hands: Suppose in the case of Pope Ione, the Succession interrupted for want of a capable Sex, and yet she might Ordain by Imposition of Hands. Lastly, I answer, This Argument can pretend to prove no more than the former, That Ordination is essential to the Call of the Ministry: Ergo, So far as that is disproved, so far is this. And indeed, it had been stronger arguing a Necessitate Ordinationis ad necessitatem impositionis manuum, than e contra; because all Arguing should be a Notiore: But sure the Necessity of Imposition of Hands is minus notum, then the necessity of Ordination: Many a Thousand will yield that Ordination is essential (I believe) that will not yield it of that Imposition.

Having done with all that I find in this Paper, I add this cross Argument for the enervating of all (or if you will of your Second, which is all). If your Arguments do tend as well to prove the absolute Necessity of an uninterrupted Succession quoad modum, as to every Mode and Circumstance in Ordination, which the Apostles have required as due, without express Dispensation for Omission, as of legitimate Ecclesiastical Ordination itself; then they are unsound. At verum prius: Ergo, The Antecedent is proved thus: The full Strength of all your Arguments is here. Christ or his Apostles (or the Church since) have mentioned no other way of Conveying Ministerial Power, but by Ordination and Imposition of Hands: Ergo, There is no other way; and this is necessary ad esse Officii: As strongly may we argue for any Mode or convenient Circumstance so required or used. As Christ or his Apostles mention no way of Ordination or of conveying the Ministerial Power, but with Prayer conjunct, or but with Imposition of Hands on the bare Head, or but in the Syriac, Hebrew, Greek, or Latin Tongues, or but on a Man that is vigilant, sober, and of good Behaviour, &c. Ergo, There is no other way: Ergo, This is of absolute Necessity, ad esse Officii. But this is no good arguing: Ergo, No more is yours. It is as bad as if one had thus argued with the Israelites in the Wilderness. (God hath mentioned no other way of Covenant Engagement, or Church Entrance, but by Circumcision: Ergo, there is no other. Ergo, this is necessary ad esse foederis in Ecclesiae. ) They are no good Iuris Consulti Christiani, i. e. Theology that know not that some Cases must be judged, and some Laws interpreted, 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 , which yet is but according to the true Sense of that Law; as Christ taught the Pharisees in the Case of David, the Priests, and his Disciples rubbing the Ears of Corn.

I conclude all as I begun, desiring that if this satisfy you not, you would perform the other Parts of your Undertaking, before, or with your Reply to this, and blame not me, who am past all doubt of an Interruption of Succession in a great part of the Churches, especially of the Romish, and uncertain of a Non-interruption in any Church on Earth, and despair of ever being certain, to be as loath to yield that Christ hath no Church Ministry or Ministerial Ordinances, or at least none in so large a part of the professed Church, or that we are uncertain whether he hath any at all; as you are loath to yield to the immediate Authorizing Efficacy of the Law, or to the Sufficiency of the Magistrates, or Peoples Mediation in case of necessity, or to an Occasion of encouraging Usurpers of the Ministry.


Tertullian de Baptismo, Cap. 17.

Superest ad concludendam materiolam de observatione quoque dandi & accipiendi Baptismum commonefacere. Dandi quidem jus habet summus Sacerdos, qui est Episcopus: Dehi c Presbyteri & Diaconi; non tamen sine Episcopy authoritate propter ecclesiae honorem: quo salvo, salva pax est. Aliquin etiam laicis jus est. Quod enim ex aequo accipitur, ex aequo dari potest, nisi Episcopy jam aut Presbyteri aut Diaconi vocanter, dicentes, Domini sermo non debet abscondi ab ullo. Proinde & baptismus aeque Dei census, ab omnibus exerceri potest: sed quanto majis Laicis disciplina verecundiâ & modestiâ incumbit, qum ea majoribus competat, ne sibi adsumant dicatum Episcopy officium Episcopatus. Aemulatio schismatum matur: Omnia liscere dixit sanctissimus Apostolus, sed non omnia exped e. Sufficiat scilicet in necessitatibus, ut utaris, sicubi, aut loci, aut temporis, aut personae conditio compellit. Tunc enim constantia succurrentis excipitur, quam urget circumstantia periclitantis. Quoniam reus erit perditi hominis si super sederit praestare quod libere potuit. Petulantia autem mulierum quae usurpavit docere, uti{que} non etiam tingendi jus sibi pariet, &c.
Had there been here no mention of the Episcopal Office or of teaching, the Arguments would hold for it a fortiore. Christ hath put Baptizing in the Apostolical commission, appropriating that to them, as much as the rest. Yet whether all this of Tertullian be approvable I now dispute not. But here you see the way of Antiquity, vide Pamelii annotat. in loc. ubi similia citantur 〈◊〉 Ambrosi, Clem. Constitut. Hieronymo, Hylario, Isidoro. And it is not only the Papists that are still for Womens baptizing in case of necessity ( Pamelius would force 〈◊〉 to their Sense, contrary to the whole Scope of his Words) but many other, and that very long ago, and Lay-men were wont to preach in the Church then, how much more (as Aedesius and Frumentius ) among Infidels, Council. Carthag. 4. alias 5. Can. 98. Laicus praesentibus clericis nisi ipsis rogantibus Docere non audiat. Origen did usually expound the Scriptures publicly, before he was ordained, and was encouraged in it by the Bishops themselves, of which Baronius himself speaks in these Words (ad annum Christi 230. pag. 377.) Licet nondum Presbyterii gradu potius, ab Episcopis qui ibi erant, non ad disputandum solum, sed ad Scripture as etiam apperiendas, magnopere in commani Ecclesiae confessu rogatus est. Quod quidem poterit esse perspicuum ex iis quae Alexander Hierosolymorum Episcopus & Theoctistus Episcopus Caesarre ad demetrium in Origenis defensione sic fere respondebant, Quod autem in litiris adjunxeris, nunquam (antea auditum, neque jam usurpatum ut Laici praesentibus Episcopis disputarent, Scripturas{que} exponerent; in eo mihi nescio quomodo videris perspicue falla dixisse. Nam ubi idonei & habiles reperiuntur, qui Fratribus in verbo Dei adjumento sint, a sanctis Episcopis rogantur, ut Populum in verbo instituant: sicut Larandis Evelpis a Neone, Ieonii Paulinus a Celso, & apud Synados Theodorus ab Attico, qui omnes beati & pii Fratres erant. At veris mile est, quamvis nobis obscurum & mini •• cognitum sit illud item in aliis locis fieri) bae illi. And if Lay-Men might expound Scriptures, and teach publicly and ordinarily in the Presence of the Bishop, and baptize in case of necessity (as Tertul. ) how much more may they in a case of necessity undertake the Ministerial Office without Legitimate Ecclesiastical Ordination: and if all these Acts of Lay-Men be not null, then the Ordination of a Man not lawfully ordained himself must be valid in case of a greater necessity. This is the confident Opinion of the generality of Protestants. The Lutherans, Helvetians, and many others say, a regular Call is by Magistrates, Ministers and People; yet that it's valid, if one part fail: Lege Forb's Defense of Call. l. 28. pag. 60. voet, desperate caus. pag. 266, 267. Johan. Dartis de Hier rch Eccles. p. 10. To conclude, as it seems Matthias and the other Apostles were ordained without Imposition of Hands, so Gregory Thaumaturgus was ordained by Phaedimus both against his Will, and when he was distant three Days Journey; as Gregory Nysen saith in his Orat. de Vita Thaumat. when Gregory avoided the Hands of the Bishop, he by Prayer and solemn Words sets him a part to the Priesthood, & loco Manus Impositionis Gregorio adhibet Sermonem, Deo Conferens eum qui Corpore coram non adesset, & illam ei Civitatem destinans atque attribuens quam contigerat, &c. ) This Nyssen speaks of as true Ordination, and the Form shows that it was a constituting him in that Office, Bishop of Neocaesarea: though Baronius finding this Pinch upon his Cause, would fain persuade us that this could yet be no Ordination till afterwards when he came in and submitted to the Solemnities ( Baron. in An. 233. p. 407, 408.) we will not contend about the Word Ordination, but it was an authoritative Consecration to God as a Bishop, and a Constituting him over that Church by Prayer and solemn Words of Consecration. And it seems Apollos, and many others preached in the Apostles Days without Ordination. But our Divines having dealt so much with the Papists on this Subject, I suppose you may see more in their Writings, than you can expect from

Your Brother and Fellow Servant, Rich. Baxter.

Sept. 9. 1653

Mr. Johnson's Second Letter to Mr. Baxter.

SIR,

I Have here enclosed sent you back the Papers which I borrowed of you, and I have been so scrupelous in sending them back exactly the same as they were first sent to you, that I have not so much as mended some Errata which I observed (in the Copying them over) to have slipped my Pen when I wrote them first.

I have since I received my own Papers, perused the Answer which you make to them; but what I am like to return, I cannot guess: For I cannot yet tell whether you have satisfied my Arguments or not. This I know, and shall not be ashamed to confess, that if you have, I have not yet Wit enough to understand you. But before I will say you have not, I will a little more consider your Answer, and try my own Reason a little farther. Only this I will venture to say in the mean time, that if I can any whit judge of my own Heart, I never inquired more unbiassedly after any Truth, than I do after this present Question; and therefore I do not doubt, but if Light be before me, I shall at length see it, though for the present it be hid from me: For as I said (if I know my own Heart) I can sincerely say, that in this Question I could be well content to find the Truth, though it ran cross against every Line in my own Papers. But I must needs confess, if I have Truth on my side in this Question, and after the most diligent Examination which I can make, it shall still appear that to plead for an uninterrupted Succession be of absolute necessity for the justifying of our Ministry, I shall never dispute the other Matters with the like indifferency. For in this combat I could be content to take a foil, and it is in a manner all one to me, whither of us get the better. But in the other matters which I am after to proceed upon, I have many temptations before me to be afraid of owning Truth, if I should meet with her out of my own Quarters. And therefore beside the Pains which it will cost me to discharge the Task, the very Fear which I shall be in least I should miscarry in the Managing, makes me more than willing to take a Supersedeas here. But if this cannot be done, you shall have the rest which I promised, performed in the same order as yourself have stipulated, viz. before I make any Reply to yours, I shall endeavor to discharge the three other Particulars which remain behind, and all in due time from,

SIR,

Your Fellow-laborer, and Enquirer after Truth, M. Johnson.

Wamborn, Octob. 6. 1653.

For my Reverend, &c. very worthy Friend, Mr. Baxter, Minister of the Word at Kidderminister, These.

Mr. Johnson's Third Letter to Mr. Baxter.

SIR,

IN my late Letter which I sent you, I told you, That I could not resolve my self whether you had answered my Arguments or not, but intended to try my own Reason a little farther, before I would say positively that you had not. And now upon further Consideration, I return you this to your whole Discourse: 1. Whereas you say to my first Argument that it was necessary for our English Bishops to prove an interrupted Succession against the Papists, because they might thereby argue ad hominem more strongly against them. I answer, That such learned Men as I have had the luck to meet withal, do not intend their Arguments or their Pains to any such end, and I prove that sufficiently thus. Because they that do use such kind of Replies do usually frame their Answers thus: 1. That there is no necessity of such a Succession. But, Secondly, If there was a necessity, yet the nullity of our Calling would not follow, because we can prove such, a Succession. But say I, the learned Authors which I have hitherto met withal, have no such Concessions: And because you seem often to hint some such thing, I desire you would point me out to some English Bishop, who having written about this Subject, do concede, that a Succession in Office, or a Succession of legitimate Ordination is not necessary. And I do the more confidently require this from you, because I have it from one who is much better acquainted with Authors than my self, that the Socinian Faction were the first that ever owned that Assertion. And if he be able to make good what he saith, you gain as little Credit by abetting such a Faction as they are, in your Assertions, as we get by abetting the Papists, while we plead for the quite contrary.

But Secondly, Whereas you deny the Consequence, and tell me that all which they thought necessiary is not necessary, they being not infallible. I answer, that you lay more stress upon my first Argument than I intended: For I never intended to argue thus: That therefore it was infallibly necessary because they thought it necessary, but that it was a good inducing Motive to persuade that it was a matter of more consequence than your Papers made of it, since learned Men took so much Pains about it: And though this indeed will not extend to a Demonstration, yet it may serve as far as I intended it, viz. as far as an Argument will reach, drawn only from that inartificial Topic a Testimonio, which you know in all contests is familiarly used, and not to be rejected if the Testees be Men of Worth and Learning. And if so, then this Argument will stand good so far as it will serve, or was intended, notwithstanding anything that hath been said to the Contrary.

To the Second Argument, Whereas you doubt not to say, That if you answer me well in this, you carry the whole Cause afore you. I shall so far gratify you as to acknowledge that you have sufficiently answered it, though I must also profess that I cannot find wherein you have given a formal answer to it. For the Apex, or the Quick of the Argument (as you are pleased to phrase it) was laid down in this Proposition [That there is nowhere in Scripture such a Form of Words as these. [That they that are thus and thus qualified may Preach the Word.] Now to this you answer, That there is quod sensum. And I reply, That this will serve my turn, if you do but make it out: But I say, that I cannot find it in your Papers. You urge six Particulars presently, from whence, I suppose, you intend to do it. But at length, yourself fall beside the Question in the winding them up. For whereas you say, that the Form in the Law was not only thus: [That they that Preach the Word must be thus and thus qualified;] but [That they that are thus and thus qualified may be appointed to Preach the Word] I think you are beside the Question. For I did not engage you to prove that there were in Scripture such a Form of Words as this: [But they that are thus and thus Qualified shall be appointed to Preach] but [That Men thus and thus qualified may Preach the Word, or have in being so qualified, Authority to preach the Word.] betwixt which two Propositions I conceive there is much Difference: It is one thing to say, [That they that are thus and thus qualified may be appointed, that is, may have Authority given them to preach the Word.] And it is a far different thing to say, [That they that are thus and thus qualified may preach or have de facto Authority to Preach, being so qualified]. And being used as Mediums in a Syllogism will produce very different Conclusions. For Example, Suppose we could find such a Form of Words in Scripture as these, [That they that are thus and thus qualified may preach the Word:] And make this the Major in the Syllogism. Then any single Person or Individuum as could infallibly frame himself into the Assumption thus, [But I am thus and thus qualified] might infallibly also make out his Commission to preach into this Conclusion: Ergo, I have Authority to preach the Word. And without anything to do with further Ordination might presently go about the Work: The Word giving him his Commission, and I confess were there such a Form, would be a sufficient Medium to convey Authority as a sufficient Discoverer of the Will of God concerning such an Individuum. But then, if there be only such a Form as this; [They that are thus and thus qualified shall be appointed to Preach the Word:] Then any single Person or Individuum, having first fitted himself into the Minor thus, [But I am thus and thus qualified] could make no other Conclusion but this: Ergo, I may be appointed to Preach the Word; which Conclusion, as I never did deny, so it is little Advantage for you to have proved: For the Question is not whether the Word doth direct who shall be appointed to Preach: But whether the Word doth immediately, by an immediate Application of something immediately, by an immediate Application of something in its self to an Individuum, convey Authority into that Individuum to Preach, so as there shall be no need of further appointing or commissioning from Church-Officers: which it would have done if there had been such a Sense in the Word 〈◊〉 required. But no such matter, though there should be such a Sense as you produce: For I cannot yield that which you conceive we are both agreed in; viz. That when the Word hath described the Qualifications of the Minister, that then there is no more to do but to discern or judge who is the the Man that hath those Qualifications; for though the Bishop should judge such or such an Individuum to be fitly qualified for the Ministry, as discerning the Qualifications which the Word requires in him; yet till he hath by Imposition of Hands, Fasting and Prayer, set him a part for the Work, he is yet no Minister to my understanding, whatever he may be to yours.

But, Sir, I confess, though you have not formalitur answered this Argument, yet you have given me so much Light from your most excellent Discourse which you make from your quinto to the End of this Second Arguments Reply, that I can answer it myself. And therefore I shall, as I said at the beginning, acknowledge that you have both satisfied it, and my own scrupulous Mind about this Question: And I do fully consent with you, that though the Succession of Ordination might be interrupted, yet we may draw our Authority from Christ by the Mediation of the written Word, or indeed by the very Law of Nature, which was a thing I confess I had not (as yourself seems to tax me) duly considered. But now, having well weighted what Stress both Laws lay upon all Men to do what good they can when they have an Opportunity and there be a necessity of their Help. I do not doubt but a Man may have a sufficient Discovery of the Will of Christ calling him out to Duty, and by Consequence giving him sufficient Authority for that Work, though he may want the regular entrance into it. And therefore since I see a way to justify the Ministry, and to derive our Authority from Christ, though the Succession should be interrupted (though also in the mean I think all Men alive may be defied to make full Proof either that the Succession ever was, or ever shall be interrupted) I shall neither trouble you nor my self any farther about a business to so little purpose. But superceding from all the rest of my promised Task shall only add something concerning your Reply to my third Argument; and that is this: To my Question that I make in the Behalf of the Invaders of our Office, why we Clamour so much against them, why we give them not the Right Hand of Fellowship? you answer, We do not, we may not give them the Right Hand of Fellowship, because they come not into the Vineyard by the Door. But I Reply from your own Principles that it is for them morally impossible to come in by the Door, the Door to them being by Providence nailed up: The Men which you call Church Officers being either such as will not give them a Commission, or such as they dare not take a Commission from, as conceiving them not lawful Ministers, and because they cannot have their Orders from them salvâ conscientiâ, it becomes impossible to them, quia omne turpe & inhonestum est impossible. And so, though you say, nothing is more untrue, yet to me, nothing seems more evident, than that the case of extreme Necessity is their case. The Anabaptist for Example; he cannot be ordained by a Bishop, he dare not, because he judges the very Order to be Antichristian: The Presbytery, if he have any better Opinion of them, yet they think so ill of him, that they will not give him Orders. Either therefore, though he be never so well qualified for the Work, he must take his Call from the Company of Brethren, or he must take it upon his own discerning the Qualifications in himself, or he must not Preach at all, though he sees the Church of Christ have never so much need of his Help. Now if you say that in such a Case a Man may not bury his Talent when the Church hath need of his Help, and he an Opportunity to give it; but he may either take it upon himself, or the People may be the Judges to call him out to it, or the Magistrate either. Then they have the same Authority which we must have if the Succession be interrupted, and the Door of the Vineyard nailed up by Providence: and so their Authority seems built upon your own Principles. Now to all this if you say, that it is their Error to be Anabaptists, and it is their Error to Judge the visible Ministry of England to be no Church-Offices, and that it is their Duty to quit themselves of these Errors, that they may be in a Capacity to receive Ordinations, and the Presbytery in a Capacity to Ordain them, as you do in effect say. To this I answer, that I think, as well as you, that these are their Errors, and that these Errors ought to be laid aside. But yet, this being said, doth not absolve them from the case of extreme Necessity which I speak of. An erroneous Conscience binding as strongly as a sound; and an Error appearing Truth, lays as great a Necessity upon the Party to frame his Practice to it as Truth: And so the Necessity becomes still as importunate. Methinks this Answer which you give may be made y Papists to us Protestants, and by the Episcopal Party to you Presbyteries, when we tell the Papists, that we dare not take Orders from them, or the Presbyterian tells the Episcopacy that they dare not take Orders from them: How easily may the Papists say to us, it is our Error? how seriously may the Episcopal say to the Presbyterian, it is your Error? You create Impossibilities and Necessities upon yourselves by your erroneous Consciences? But if we Protestants cannot reject that Necessity which lies upon us of refusing Orders from the Papists: or if the Presbyterian cannot reject the Impossibility that lies before them of taking Orders from the Prelates whilst their Conciences tells them they may not. Why may not the Sectary upon as good Ground, and as justifiable Principles refuse Orders from the Presbyterian, and plead as strongly a moral Impossibility and a nailing up the Vineyards Door by Providence, whilst their Consciences tells them they may not; and so baulking those that we call Church Officers enter as regularly into the Ministry, or at least as inconfutably as any other Men, if the Succession be interrupted? And therefore I cannot think that you have answered this Argument, except the two first Lines contains it; where you say, That the best things may be made use of as Occasions to encourage Men in Sin, &c. because I think that there is much Truth in that, and that the Inconvenience which this Argument hath hanged upon that Assertion, is but incommodum per accidens, which may be fastened upon most of the Truths of God; I supersede likewise in that Answer to my third Argument. As for my Fourth Argument, I confess it was frivolously urged to the present Question, and I have wondered at myself how I came to hoole it in under the present Debate; and therefore I will return you nothing to what you have said against it: But giving you many Thanks for that Help which you have held out to my Understanding towards that weighty Question of justifying the Calling of the Ministry; I beseech the Almighty long continue your Life to the Advantage of his Church. And this done, without further Ceremony, I bid you farewell, and rest

Your Fellow Labourer in the Gospel of Christ M. Johnson.

Wamborne, Nov. 9. 1653.

For my Reverend, &c. very worthy Friend, Mr. Baxter, Minister of the Word at Kidderminister, These.

Mr. Baxter's Second Letter to Mr. Johnson.

Reverend Brother,

I Know not whether I am more glad of your Satisfaction, or sorrowful that you will needs supercede the Task which you undertook. I confess it is a Labor which I apprehend would be useful to me many ways; but a strong Conceit of the Impossibility of performing it, did slack my Desires: But now you tantalize me, expressing here a higher Confidence of the Feaseableness of your Work than before, (in your defying all the World on the contrary): So that I must again renew my suit to you, that you would perform that Work, and prove de facto an uninterrupted Succession. I profess, it is for my own Edification that I desire it; and if you suspect whether it be to cavil, or enter a Quarrel with, you mistake me. Such a Discovery would dispatch several Difficulties with me in several Controversies.

As for your Animadversions last sent, I shall reply to the substance of them in brief. 1. The First I conceive little worth the insisting on, because first you confess it is but a Motive to induce you to think there is weight in the Point. 2. Because if there were anything in it, the contrary Judgments of all the Learned Divines of France, Belgium, upper Germany, Helvetia, Denmark, Sweeden, Scotland, Transylvania, Hungary, with a great part of the English, who are against the necessity of an uninterrupted Succession, is as strong a motive to an unprejudiced Man, as is the Judgment of the Bishops of England alone. But

2. It is a known Case past all doubt, that the English Bishops opposed the Papists in this Point, till of later Years; and to name you more, what need I, when you know I named you so many in my Book? To all which add, That even the late exasperated Episcopal Divines, whereof some have been suspected of halting, do yet confess the Truth of the Reformed Churches and Ministry that have no Bishops; as doth Dr. Fern, Dr. Stewart 's, Answer to Fountain 's Letter, Bishop Bramhall against Militerius, who yet would have the Pope to be principium Unitatis to all the Church. I do not think you can find one of twenty that wrote against the Papists before the late King's Reign, or the Treaty of the Spanish Match, but were all against the Papists in this Point of the necessity of uninterrupted Succession (if they meddled with the Point).

Ad 2 um . The Reason why you saw not a Formal Answer in my Words, I conceive was your Oversight, you took no notice of the Force of my Answer. You required this Proposition to be proved from Scripture [They that are thus and thus qualified may preach the Word] I told you it is contained in this which is in Scripture [Men thus and thus qualified shall be appointed to preach the Word.] Here you overlook the Strength of my Answer, which is in the Word [shall,] and you not only obscure the Emphasis, but change the Word, and put [may] for [shall.] Here is contained a Precept comprehensive both of the Preacher's Work, and the Ordainers conjunctly. Now all my Business was to show you, that as in this there are more Precepts than one, so that secundum materiam subjectam they have not the same Degree of Obligation; and that though God do lay down together his Law both de re & de modo, of the Work, and the Order of entering on it, yet that the later is but for the former and subservient to it, and a more dispensable thing, and that when the Ordainers fail of their Duty (which is his own Precept included herein) the Person to be ordained remaineth nevertheless obliged by the other part: So that while Ordination may be had, this ties such to submit to it, and makes it necessary as God's Order; and then the whole Precept comprehensive obligeth: But when it cannot be had, or the Ordainer will not obey his part of the Precept, the other stands in force nevertheless to the other Party.

The Words [Men thus qualified shall be ordained] hath these two Precepts in it. The First in Order and Weight is [Men thus qualified shall preach the Word.] The Second subservient is, [They shall (ordinis gratia) be ordained hereto] He that is willfully the first Divider of these Conjunct Precepts sinneth. Either the Man that will Preach without submitting to Ordination, when it may be had; or the Ordainers that will not Ordain the Orthodox, or otherwise well qualified. But seeing the Word [shall] in the foresaid Precept, doth create a double Necessity, but far unequal, [there shall be Preaching] and [Ergo, there shall be Ordaining] it followeth from the inequality, that when one ceaseth, the other doth not ergo cease; and so when Ordination cannot be had, the Proposition which you expected, remaineth alone, which before was conjunct with another. [Men thus qualified shall Preach:] This was the Summ of my Answer, which I do repeat verbose nimium because you overlooked it the last time.

But you add, [I cannot yield that which you conceive we are both agreed in; viz. That when the Word hath described the Qualifications of the Minister, that there is no more to do, but to discern and judge who is the Man that hath these Qualifications: For though the Bishop should judge such a Man fit for the Ministry, as discerning the Qualifications which the Word requires in him, yet till he hath by Imposition of Hands, Fasting and Prayer, set him apart for that Work, he is yet no Minister to my Understanding, whatever he may be to yours.] To this I reply; 1. I take the Form of Ordination to lie in the Authoritative Appointment; and, God having described the Person by his Qualifications, I take the formal nature of this Appointment to lie only in [the determining Judgment] who shall be the Man: For [whether there shall be a Man appointed or not] God hath not left to Man's Judgment; nor yet [what manner of Man, for Qualifications, he shall be]: If, Ergo, the lawful Ordainers say, [We do by the Authority given us of God judge, i. e. sentence or determine, that consideratis, considerandis, this is the Man that is qualified, and so called of God to be the Pastor of this Church; and Ergo, require you in the Name of Christ, to accept him, and submit to him;] this Man is ordained my Judgment, yea, though this Determination be but in Writing. So if it be directed to the Minister himself: (which goes first) [we do by the Authority given us of God, Judge thee called to the Office of the Ministry; and Ergo, require thee to undertake it.] By called I mean ex parte Dei, by Qualification, Consent, Opportunity, &c. which go before Ordaining.

Now what do you yet want ad esse Ministri? •• ou mention but two things, 1. Imposition of Hands. 2. Fasting and Prayer: (For setting a part is done by the former Authoritative Determination) But 1. Imposition you anon deny to be so necessary, in disclaiming your last Argument; which you seem here to forget. 2. Fasting and Prayer is, no doubt a mean Accident, or Duty fitly conjoined, but not of the Essence of Ordination I think few Men living will say, that if the Lawful Ordainer do all the rest of the Work besides Prayer, that it is no Ordination; Prayer is one thing (requisite ad been esse ) and Ordination another. And for Fasting, I could not learn that those Bishops that I knew did always observe it; but when the Ordination was before dinner time (as it usually was) and the Bishop went presently from Ordination to his Feast; that was not the Fasting, I think, which you mean. But how are you satisfied that we may derive our Authority immediately from the Law, if there were no Succession? and yet think him no Minister that hath the determinating Sentence of the Ordainer's Appointing him to the Work, for want of Imposition of Hands, Prayer and Fasting.

Ad 3 um . I marvel, that on so very slight Grounds, you think that [nothing is more evident, than that the case of extreme Necessity is their case] who invade the Ministry among us now! I told you that Nemini debitur Commodum ex propriâ culpa (as the Civil Law saith) I distinguished between moral Impossibility vicious and culpable, and inculpable; and between necessitating to Sin, and necessitating to, or constituting of Duty; and I told you, that the impossibility that lay on them of right entering was vicious, or through their own Sin; and God doth not cause Men to Sin. I told you also, that this erring Conscience might necessitate them to sin, that is, ensuare them, that hey shall sin whether they do or not do; but it can never warrant them in obeying it. This was the Sense of my Speech, though not the Words. To explain which, I desire you to observe, that bonum est ex causis integris, at least quoad Species, if not quoad Gradus. So that God requireth to a virtuous Action which shall be properly and plenarily Moral, i. e. voluntary, 1. That it be made due by his own Precept or Law. 2. That it be apprehended such by the Intellect, and so by the will elected, and elicit as such: So that where Conscience takes that to be Duty which is none, it hath but Officium appar us, & non verum; it catcheth a Shadow, apprehending a Duty which is no Duty; so there may be interpretative a kind of formal Reason of Obedience in the Will (the Guided Faculty) in that it did will that which was presented to it as due, but there wants the Matter and the Form of Obedience quoad hominem, who is intelligent also: yea, here you must distinguish between Ignorance culpable, (and superable) and inculpable: For when the Ignorance is culpable, it cannot be said that the guilty Will doth properly obedire, because it was a cause of its own misleading by the intellect: And in our Case, that Ignorance is always culpable. I do wonder, Ergo, that you should say, (and lay all on that Mistake) that [an erroneous Conscience binds as strongly as a found] for the Obligation of Conscience is subordinate to God's Preceptive Obligation. God makes Duty, and Conscience doth but apprehend Duty: So that an erring Conscience cannot make Duty entirely and materially: We must not make a God of an erring Conscience, much less can it make that no Sin, which God hath made Sin; yea, make that Duty, which God made Sin. God's Precepts lie thus: [1. Thou shalt not run before thou art sent] This is to the whole Man: and no Error of Mans can repeal it. Then [2. The Will must follow the right guiding Intellect.] This is natural, and excuseth not the following of an erring Judgment. Then [3. That the Will follow the practical Intellect whether right or wrong] that is no Precept, but the Nature of the Soul in its acting, because that Will is potententia ceca, non nata, ad intelligendum, sed ad volendum vel nolendum intellectum: So that it is a most intolerable thing to grant that Man's Error can make Duty no Duty, or Sin no Sin. If Man must will bonum apprehensum, he may necessitate himself to sin in his choice, by misapprehending; because then, though Bonum be still Bonum, yet it is apprehensum sub Ration mali, & e contra, and so one of the two Necessaries to right Willing is wanting; but apprehending malum to be bonum doth not make it so; and Ergo, then the greater Necessary is wanting to the erring Conscience, viz. God's Constitution: So that whether you say as Durand, that Conscientia errans Ligat at non obligat, or whether you say, as others, that ligare and obligare are all one; yet still the case is plain, that [an erring Conscience may entangle us in Sin, whether we obey or not obey it; but it cannot free us from Sin or from Duty, except where the case is such that God's Law hath made one and the same thing to be sin or no sin, according to Men's Knowledge or Ignorance; which never falls out but when the Ignorance is inculpable, which is never in our Case] Even while the Person erreth, he lieth under a double Obligation: 1. To do the Duty, or avoid the Sin. 2. To judge rightly of Sin and Duty, and apprehend them as they are; and so to lay down his Error: So that all your Words import but this; [An erring Man cannot choose but err; or, cannot overcome it:] But not [he is, ergo, innocent:] For it is his own Fault that brought him to it, and continueth him in it. He that is accustomed to do evil, is not innocent, because he can no more learn to do well, than a Blackamore can change his Skin, &c.

2. This Answer of yours seems again to me, to be inconsistent with your professed Conviction. For if you do indeed think 1. That in case of necessity the Succession is not necessary. 2. And that nothing is more evident than that these Men have such Necessity:] then you must think that these Men are lawful Ministers; which I know you do not. Where the Flaw is, and what Link of this Chain you will break, I cannot tell.

3. And when you say, that (the Papists may say as easily to us, as we to the Sectaries, that it is our Error, &c. (and so the Episcopal Party) that we will not take Orders from them.] I reply, They may say it as easily, but if as truly, they conclude us under Guilt, and carry the Cause. Twenty Parties may say they are all in the right, doth it follow that they are all so, because they make the same Pretonce to it? Many Parties may Plead one Medium, one Scripture, for contrary Opinions: Are they, Ergo, alike sound and justifiable? Thus the Skeptics and Libertines use to say, [You say, you are in the right, and Papists and Anabaptists say, they are in the right: Ergo, (What then? Why) they may be in the right, or at least, should have Liberty as well as you.] But it is not he that saith he is in the right, but he that is so indeed, that should be countenanced by the Magistrate: So it is not he that hath the same Pretence, but the justifiable Cause that must carry it: Else what are Judges for, if each Man have right that pretends to it? If our erroneous Conciences make us grope in the Dark, and suppose the Papists have nailed up the Door, when they have not, then the Sin lieth on us. But if indeed the Papists, do by wicked Oaths, and Engagements to Papal Tyranny, and to false Doctrines, supernumerary Articles of Faith, and wicked Practices, shut up the Door of Ordination, that no Man can lawfully enter at it, among them, then is the Sin theirs, and God will judge them for the Divisions, Distractions, Confusions, Corruptions, and Desolations, which they have brought upon the Churches of Christ.

Ad. 4 um . I need say nothing.

Sir, let me conclude as I begun, with a request that you would prove the uninterrupted Succession, for the Information of

Your Brother, Rich. Baxter.

Nov. 18. 1653.
To my Reverend Brother, Mr. Johnson, Preacher of the Gospel at Womborne, This.

Mr. Johnson's Fourth Letter to Mr. Baxter.

SIR,

ALthough I had purposed wholly to have superceded from my former Undertakings, as conceiving them a fruitless Speculation in regard the Ministry may be justified without them; yet, forasmuch as I did defy all Men alive to make full Proof that the Succession ever hath, or ever shall be interrupted; and upon the Occasion of this Defiance, you do rather invite me, than challenge me to renew my Purpose: I cannot tell how I can avoid so much as my own Defiance hath engaged me to. And therefore, though very unwillingly, I shall endeavor, so far as my Defiance hath engaged me, to satisfy your Desire. And because I herein stand upon the Defensive, and by consequence must find some Man that pretends to make full Proof of the Question, before I can discharge that which now I undertake; I cannot tell, where to meet with such an one, unless it be yourself in your late Book: And therefore I shall apply myself to examine your Argument, whereby you endeavor to prove that the Succession hath been already interrupted: But before I come to that I shall return you something to what you say in the last Papers. And First, whereas you tell me to my Demand, that you have instanced in many English Writers, who do all plead against the Papists the No-necessity of an uninterrupted Succession, I answer, that amongst those Authors which you quote, I have none by me but Bishop Jewel, and so far as I can discern from the locis allegatis aut alibi, he speaks nothing at all to the Question; what the other do, I shall examine hereafter as I meet with them.

Ad 2 um . Whereas you tell me that my not seeing a formal Answer to my Second Argument proceeded from an oversight of the Word [shall] and a Not-observation of the Emphasis in it. To this I answer, that it is indeed true, that I did not take heed enough to the Word, for if I had, I should not so indifferently have sometimes used it, and sometimes put another Word in its room (which may make it plain that the Word was changed through inanimadvertencey rather than by design); But it was not the Not-observation of the Word, but the Not-understanding of the what the Word contained in it that made the Error: For if I had understood that it contained two Propositions: 1. That Men thus and thus qualified shall preach the Word, or it is the Duty of Men thus and thus qualified to preach the Word. And then 2. That [Men thus and thus qualified, ordinis gratia, shall be set apart to it, or shall be appointed to Preach] I never had made this Animadversion, but should have acknowledged a formal Answer: But I understood it only thus, that Men thus and thus qualified shall be appointed, that is, it is their Duty, being so and so qualified to seek for Ordination, or it is their Duty being so and so qualified to be appointed to the Work: which I thought might be true, and yet they no Ministers till they were de facto set apart. But now very well understanding, that it may well bear both Propositions, and the first coming up close to the Question in hand, I shall willingly retract all that I said upon that Point, and acknowledge a formal Answer, which I think may satisfy.

But whereas you say, that by disclaiming my last Argument I denied Imposition of Hands to be so necessary, and by urging something hereabouts did seem to forget what I said anon. I answer, I did never intend to deny Imposition of Hands to be of necessity to legitimate Ordination. I said indeed, an Argument drawn from thence against the Question in Hand was frivolous. But I did not intend to disparage the thing itself any farther than Relatively to the Question then in debate. And whereas you say, that Fasting was not used; I answer, that there never was any Ordination but Fasting was previous to it by the Appointment of the Church in Ember-Weeks, which were constantly kept by the Sons of the Church, though neglected by others, and this I think might serve, though it was not the same Day, and I believe you will say so too. But in these things neither will I be boisterous till I am better informed what may be the substantial or essential Parts of Christ's Ordinances, and what not; which I confess I have not yet such an Idea of; So as to say in every Ordinance what is essential, and what not.

Ad. 3 um . Whereas you wonder that upon such slight Grounds I should so tenaciously stand to part of my third Argument. I answer, that I did not intend to enforce that the Case of extreme inculpable necessity was the Sectaries Case: But such a Necessity as did inevitably entangle them in their Invasion of the Ministry, which though it doth no ways make them lawful Ministers, yet it makes them inconfutably lawful Ministers, till the Opinions which first made them separate be proved to them to be erroneous; my meaning is this: I think if this Hypothesis be true [that in case of extreme Necessity Men may, and some must enter irregularly into the Ministry] it is not possible to convince an Anabaptist that his Invasion of the Ministerial Work is unlawful, till we can first convince him that Anabptism is erroneous. Now hereupon I thought their Hands was much strengthened over what it would have been had that Hypothesis been false. For then we could incontroulably have cleared their Invasion of the Work, though they had in the mean time remained unconvinced of their erroneous Opinion.

But now if we cannot convince them of their Error, but their way still appear Truth to them, then they need do no more to justify their Practice to themselves, but borrow our Principle; and that sets them right, and so their Invasion is inconfutable from what they borrow from ourselves. And so though they do not justify themselves to us, because we think their Necessity culpable, and through their own default, yet they so far justify by this very Principle their Practice to themselves, that it renders them unconfutably lawful, till we can prove and make it out plain to them, that their very Opinions are erroneous: So that you mistook while you thought that I intended to prove their Practice lawful, whereas all that I intended was to show that upon such a Principle their Invasion became less confutable; and their Hands something strengthened over they could have been upon the contrary Hypothesis; by which you may perhaps see what Link of your Chain I intended to break. But enough of this, I shall now come to the Business I first spake of.

First therefore you lay down the Episcopal Principles, pag. 65. viz. That no Church is a true Church without Ministers; and no Man a Minister that is not Ordained by a Bishop, and no Man a Bishop that is not ordained by a Bishop lawfully called, and not deprived again of his Power: And this Bishop must be Ordained by a former Bishop, and he by a former, and so the Succession must be followed up to the Apostles.

Having done thus, you catechize these Seekers, as you call these Doctors: And then proceed to prove that these Reverend, Learned, Pious Bishops, which you acknowledge to be now in this Nation, are no lawful Bishops upon the Principles laid down; because they were ordained by such as had no Authority to ordain. This you prove because they were Ordained at length by the Popish Bishops in Hen. VIII. Time, who had no Authority to Ordain; this you prove, because they derived their Authority from the Pope, who had no Authority to give them any. That the Pope had no Authority you prove by an Interruption of Succession of lawful Bishops in that Chair. That there hath been an Interruption in that Chair you prove by the Instances of Liberius, Honorias, Dame Ione, and many others, as you say, out of Bishop Jewel. The Strength of these Instances depend upon that Hypothesis, that Heresy or notorious Impiety doth evacuate holy Orders.

Now if it can be infallibly proved that Heresy or Impiety doth not evacuate Holy Orders; or rather, if you cannot infallibly prove as it is my part at this time to deny (I being upon the defensive) that Impiety or Heresy doth evacuate Holy Orders, then it will not follow that there was an Interruption, though Liberius was an Heretic. And if no Interruption, then Pope Clement the Incumbent at Rome in Henry VIII. Days, was, notwithstanding what is urged, in full Power to Ordain: And then if he had Authority, then the Popish Bishops which derived from him had full Authority; and if they had, then our Bishops who at length derive from them have also full Athority: and so the whole Structure will fall at once in that Hypothesis, which is the Foundation of all, shall chance to shake. And therefore, Sir, in the first place, I pray you take notice, that I deny that Heresy or Impiety doth evacuate Holy Orders; and expect the Proof of it.

•• But then suppose I should grant this (which I never intend) I may, I conceive, falsely debate, that though there should be an Interruption in the Succession of the Chair at Rome, yet the Pope that now is, or the Pope that sat at Rome in Hen. VIII. Days were fully authorized to ordain, if they were but ordained by such, who neither were Heretical or Impious: For the Authority or Power of Ordination, I conceive, doth not come to any Bishop by Virtue drawn from his Predecessor in seed, but by Virtue derived from him who laid Hands upon him at his Consecration. For Example, that you may understand my meaning; suppose Dr. Winneffe, the late Bishop of Lincoln, was consecrated by the Imposition of the Bishop of Worcestor's Hand: I conceive it is unreasonable to affirm, that this Doctor received his Episcopal Orders rather from Dr. Williams, his Predecessor in the Chair at Lincoln, than from the Bishop of Worcester, who is supposed to lay Hands upon him at his Consecration. Or if the Question be whether he was a lawful Bishop that gave him Orders; I conceive that it is equally unreasonable that we should go and inquire rather after Dr. Williams his Authority who was his Predecessor in seed, than after the Bishop of Worcester, who was, or is supposed in the a e to be his Consecrator. Or if John Williams, who was his Predecessor, should have de facto, proved an Arian or a Conjurer while he sat in the Diocesan Chair a Lincoln, I think it is every whit as unreasonable to affirm, that therefore Dr. Winneffe, who succeeded him in that Seat, should lose his Episcopal Authority, when as his Consecrator can have no such thing fastened upon him. In like manner, though Liberius was an Arian while he sat in the Pontifical Chair at Rome; yet if that Bishop, whoever he was, (and look you to that) who consecrated Pope Clement were Orthodox, and so forward till we come to the Apostles, his Authority was good enough, though one, or more of his Predecessors in seed were Heretical. If you shall say that the Case is not alike betwixt the Succession of Popes and other Bishops: I ask, where's the difference? If you say that the difference is in this, that the Pope claims not his Authority from his Consecrator, but from his Predecessor. I answer, That it is very probable that he doth do so: But let him and the Popish Doctors therefore see how they can quit their Hands of this Interruption: For our parts we conceive we need not be engaged in this Controversy: It is enough for us to reply to this asserted Difference. That the Question is not what they lay claim to, but what they ought de jure, to lay claim to. If you say, That de jure, they do challenge their Authority from their Predecessors, I expect that you must prove it, before I will promise you that I will believe it. But if you say, that the Difference is only this, That they do de facio claim their Authority after another manner than other Bishops; then I rejoin, that it doth not follow, that they have their Authority after another manner than other Bishops; because they say they have. If therefore the facultas Ordinandi doth not come from the Bishop's Predecessor in seed, but from the Bishop who is the Consecrator. Then, Sir, you must prove that some of those Bishops who Consecrated Pope Clement e're the Succession reach the Apostles were Heretics: It little avails to prove that some of his Predecessors in Cathedre was such, at least to me, who are unwilling to be thought a Protestant.

But then Thirdly, Suppose we should grant this (which we likewise never intend) how will you make it appear that our Bishops in Hen. VIII. Time had their Authority from the then incumbing Pope. If you say, they went over to him for Imposition of Hands, that's improbable; if you say he came over to them, that's intolerable; if you say, that he did delegate his Authority to some of our English Bishops, or sent a Deputy, or Nuncio authorized to those Ends: I answer, that it may be true that he did so. But then the Question will again be, whether our English Bishops had not full Authority to have done all this without his Knowledge; or whether rather an Expectation of a Commission from him were not a Fruit of the Error of those times holding him to be the universal Bishop: If it was, though it be Argumentum ad hominem, and will again, I think, press fore upon the Papists who assert the same) yet it doth nothing trouble us who assert no such Universality. I ask therefore, must we acknowledge the Pope to be universal Bishop; or must we not? if we must, why do we not? If we must not, why should any Man urge that Practice in his own Defense, which he himself judgeth to be erroneous: I speak plainlier, if the Bishops in Hen. VIII. Time had their Authority from the Pope, then this must be pretended, I think, upon others Grounds; either because the Bishops had indeed no Power to Ordain without his Commission, or because they thought they had none, or because they could not exercise that Power which they both had, and knew they had, without his leave. If you say they had indeed no Power to Ordain without his Commission: I say, that you are more than a Cassandrian Papist. If you say they had no Power because they judged they had none. I deny the Consequence, and expect you should prove it. Or 3. If you say they had their Authority from him because they could not exercise it without his leave. I shall only propound this Case in answer to you: Suppose General Cromwell should put in so between you and the Exercise of your Ministry that without his leave you should not preach or administer the Sacraments, would you say, if you had leave from him, that you derived your Authority from him, because the external Exercise of your Authority depends upon his Leave? I think you would not.

Well, Sir, I shall now only rehearse what I expect you should prove. And the first thing that is expected is this: That Heresy or Impiety doth evacuate Holy Orders. 2. That the Power of Ordination is derived from the Predecessor in seed. 3. That some of Pope Clement 's Consecrators e're his Line reach the Apostles were heretical or impious. 4. You must prove that the Bishops in Hen. VIII. Time did not only judge that they had dependence upon the Pope for Authority, but that indeed they had no Authority but what they derived from him. If you can indeed make good all this, then I shall confess that the Interruption of Succession is made good also. But till then, I shall 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 . Yet in the mean time shall be a very great Admirer of your Worth, and Lover of your Industry,

M. Johnson.

Wamborn, Dec. 8. 1653.

For my Reverend and very Worthy Friend; Mr. Baxter, Minister of the Word at Kidderminster, These.

Mr. Johnson's Fifth Letter to Mr. Baxter.

SIR,

THE, Question, as I remember, was stated between us thus: Whether an infallible Knowledge that our Ordainers have full Authority to ordain, be necessary to make us have true Peace of Conscience in the Exercise of our Ministry. To which Question, before I give any Answer, I shall first willingly yield these two Propositions. 1. That an infallibly lawful Ordination is necessary to make us infallibly lawful Ministers. 2. That an infallible Proof that we have been lawfully ordained is necessary to make us infallibly know that we have been lawfully Ordained. But I deny that an infallible Knowledge t at we have been lawfully Ordained is necessary to make us lawful Ministers. Or that an infallible Knowledge that we have been lawfully ordained, is necessary to give us true Peace in the exercise of our Ministry. The former Negative is so clear from the extrinsical Nature of Knowledge to the Essences of the things known, and the Posteriority of the Nature of Scientiae a re Scibilis, that it is altogether superfluous to say anything in order to the Proof of it. But the other being indeed the thing you doubt of. I shall offer you what is upon my own Understanding, and what it is that persuades me to take the negative part. And my Reason is this: I do therefore think that an infallible Knowledge that his Ordainers had full Authority is not necessary to give a Man true Peace in the Exercise of his Ministry: Because true Peace, according to Gospel Equity is not founded upon exactness, but upon utmost diligence and sincere Endeavors. And particularly in point of Knowledge or in the Question [What is our Duty to know] True Peace is not founded upon exact or infallible Knowledge, but upon an utmost Diligence, or sincere Endeavor to know. And therefore if we can but truly say, that we do use our utmost Diligence to know, we have the Foundation of true Peace, though we be in the mean time in much Ignorance about the thing we inquire after. And to the Question in hand, if we can truly say, that we have used our utmost Endeavors to know whether our Ordainers had full Power to Ordain; we may have true Peace in the Exercise of our Ministry though in the mean time we cannot infallibly prove, and by consequence cannot infallibly know that they had any such Authority. True Peace, according to Gospel measure, very well agreeing with inculpable Ignorance.

And the Truth is, if it were not thus in óther things, I do not see how any Man could with Peace of Conscience enjoy those things which we call their Inheritances. For it can never be infallibly proved, nor they by consequence infallibly know, that they have just Right and Title to them. If they be not lawfully begotten, they have no just claim to their Inheritances. Now if they do not, or indeed cannot infallibly know that they have been lawfully begotten, they cannot know infallibly that they have a just claim to their Inheritances. But they can never come to an infallible Knowledge that they have been lawfully begotten, and by consequence upon such Principles as these, can never, with Peace of Conscience, enjoy that which all Men usually call their due Inheritances.

And I conceive upon the same Grounds, The Levites and Jewish Priesthood could never, with any Peace of Conscience, have exercised their Sacred Offices, in regard they could never come to an infallible certainty that they did descend from Aaron, upon which account only they had their just claim to those holy Employments. Yea, and all the Princes in the World, who derive by dissent their Titles to their Crowns, would upon such a Principle as this, fit either very loose, or with little ease in their imperial Chairs, being never able upon infallible Proof to make good that they were the true legitimate Heirs to their Predecessors. Which Considerations a posterioris, (as the Argument alleged doth a priori ) over-rule my Judgment to determine that an infallible Knowledge that our Ordainers had full Authority to Ordain, is not necessary to give us true Peace in the Exercise of our Ministry; which was the only thing intended at the present

By Your Fellow-laborer, and Enquirer after Truth, M. Johnson.

Wamborn, Decemb. 26. 1653.

Numb. III. Letters between Mr. Baxter, and Mr. Lamb.

Mr. Lamb's Letter to Mr. Baxter.

SIR,

PERHAPS my Boldness may seem much in this Address to one unknown by Face; but want of that is no sufficient Plea to restrain me, knowing it's no Impediment to the Communion of Saints. These Lines are writ out of much Affliction of Heart, and in many Tears which have run over at the Throne of Grace many a time about the Case presented. The Reason of my Address to you, rather than any other, is because of some Converse I have had with your Writings, whereby I judge you to have the Tongue of the Learned, to speak a Word in Season, being experienced yourself in Spiritual Affairs and Temptations, the immediate Cause of this Address was my reading your last Direction in the Book of Getting and keeping Peace and Comfort.

The Case is mine only, as it is the Case of one who is myself in the dear Relation of a Husband; it is an unusual one, and therefore will require, I doubt, you more Pains to reach it, and so is the more boldness in me, but from you will be the more Service to Christ Jesus; if you engage in it I would be brief, but must of necessity declare Circumstances. This dear Husband of mine, Mr. Lamb, is one that hath been devoted to God's Fear from his Youth up, and hath desired exceedingly, and delighted greatly to serve Christ Jesus our Lord; the Ministry he was nourished and bred up in was, Mr. John Goodwin 's, for Twelve or Thirteen Years, where he joined a Member, and afterward by common Consent, and Prayer, and Fasting was ordained an Elder over that Flock, and did labor in the Word and Doctrine then with great delight, striving to adorn the Gospel in all Acts of Love, Righteousness and Mercy. Going on thus with Joy, about Five Years ago the great Controversion of Baptism had some access into his Judgment through the means of another Member of that Body, Mr. Allen, a very Holy and good Man, who having had long doubts about Infant Baptism, was carried to the other, by means of Mr. Fisher, since Quaker; by these Arguments presented, Mr. Lamb was taken in his Judgment, and in Conscience of his Duty did practice accordingly, not thinking then, but still to hold communion with the Church notwithstanding, but then suddenly was led farther, namely, to love the Communion of that Church, and finding not where to find any Society in that Engagement where they could have such means of Edification as they had left, they were induced to join in a Body with some others, about Twenty that came off by their means from the same Fellowship, and so for Five Years have gone on till there is an Addition of about an Hundred. Pray, Sir, pardon my troubling of you with this Story; but that which follows cannot so well be understood without it.

Which is, That now about Nine Months last past, by some Experiences and Sights of the Faults of some, particularly that of Fishers, and disrelishing the Practices, and Assertions of some, in unchurching all besides themselves, he began to be provoked and pressed much in Spirit to consider the Grounds of separating upon the account of Baptism, and in that Survey still their Weakness, which appeared the more by reading yours, Mr. Io. Goodwin, and Homes Books of Baptism, begot in him not only a Sight of Weakness in his Grounds about Separating, but weakened his Confidence as to the opposing of Infant Baptism: In this time, as things appeared to him (he being free and open Hearted) was ready to express his Thoughts to those he conversed with, who being rigid about Separation, still persuaded him these new Thoughts were Satan's Temptations, to hinder him in the Lord's Work: Which occasioned much Prayer, and Fasting and Prayer; that if these Thoughts were not of God's Holy Spirit, they might die from his Soul. But still they increased and came with such Light and Power, argumentative from Scripture, detecting his former Principles as to Separation. In this interim he conversed with divers Ministers in Town, as Mr. Goodwin's Book, Mr. Manton, Dr. Reignold 's about the meaning of 1 Cor. 12. 13, &c. his thoughts still carrying him on, till he had formed them into three Sheets of Paper; but all the way it was a Fight with Temptations, as often is declared; yet his Light plainly evincing the evil of Saints dividing upon the account of Baptism, although it should stand good, Baptism should belong only to believers; And as I conceive those Temptations partly occasioned by Friends, who out of their Love would charge him to take heed, for some Roo of Bitterness or other was the Ground of these Thoughts, and some Carnal end he had, and was weary of Christ's Yoke, and the Woes to Backsliders would be his Portion, &c. and that never any owned these Principles that forsook them, but they became sad Objects of God's Displeasure; Satan sitting in when these did occasion great Distress, and Searchings of Heart, many Fears, Prayers, and Tears, fore Temptations that he was not sincere, which was heightened by one Thought that he had espied in his Heart when he was amidst these thoughts; namely, that to break the Neck of those strai Principles which would not permit any to Marry but to those in their own way would be a Freedom in respect of his Daughters in their Marriages (who are but now Ten and Eleven Years of Age) the Fears least the having of this in his Thoughts should in answer to this, argue the Predominancy of the interest of the Flesh, hath filled his Soul with great distress, which I declare to you as a spiritual Physician, that you may know the whole Case. After seeking God, a little help was attained in this: and he received some Testimony of Conscience that this Thought was not the moving Cause of his change of Mind, or any predominant end, only an after Thought which had some encouragement in it. When this Temptation was over, then as bitter Fears about apostasy, all those Texts seeming to apply themselves to him as speaks of an evil Heart of unbelief in departing from God, of being cast out as a withered Branch; and these, attended with Tears, and woundings of Spirit: If he did cease from drawing up his Arguments, then be should have ease; but the Light of them was so pressing upon his Mind, that he could not forbear: This hath been his Life for these Eight or Nine Months, having declared his Arguments, the People to whom he is Elder, they grow offended and disturbed; if he have any thought of returning to Mr. Goodwin's Church again, then nothing but Horror and as it were a flaming Sword in his Spirit: is not that a Ground that he ought not return thither? He finds most ease in his tender and fair Entreaties of the People he is now with, to keep them from Separating to the further prejudice of their Souls: Having a little ease about the Fear of Apostasy, by finding by Experience that his Soul never went out in such strong Desires and high Praisings of Jesus Christ, and earnest Desires to serve him in his Gospel, and having in this time more abundantly than ever found his Soul emptied of self-esteem, and sense of his need of Christ's Nourishing and Cherishing. After this, the next Temptation which now he wrestles with is, hard Thoughts of God, as if he were hard, not easy to be entreated, &c. These sore Temptations hath made him ready to saint, saying sometimes, O that he were settled in his former Thoughts against Infant Baptism, and could practice with a good Concience as he had done the other, to this it's suggested, no now it shall be hid from him, he received not the Truth in the Love of it, &c. and Heb. 12. 17. made use of to wound him that he obtained not the Blessing though he sought it carefully with Tears: These Thoughts occasioned strong Cries, and Tears, and great Distress of Soul. Yet Sir, take notice that all this while his now Arguments to one Communion with all Saints, as Saints, are never questioned in his Judgment, but all admitted to him; nay, all that have seen them, who are divers of the Re-baptism, have not any of them as yet offered anything to detect them, but contrariwise, they have had their force in the Minds of some.

Now, dear Sir, I hope you understand my Scriblings, the end of all is to entreat your help as one that Christ hath set in his Church for the edifying and establishing of his Members; judging you faithful, and one of a Thousand in experience, I have taken the boldness to entreat your Answer to the following Particulars.

1. Whether God doth use to leave any of his Servants to such bitter Temptations when they are about a Service acceptable to him? If so, what his Ends may be in it?

2. Whether these Distresses of Spirit can be any Demonstration that his former Practices and Principles about restraining Communion to after Baptism, nor more pleasing to God's Spirit, which hath seemed to be proved, and so Dependant: These latter Arguments about largeness in that kind.

3. Whether considering his former Relation to Mr. Goodwin 's Congregation, from whom he withdrew upon the Thought he had of unlawfulness to communicate with unbaptised Persons, which now he sees the Vanity of, it be not now his Duty to return thither, and if so, then 1. What should be the Reason that his Conscience, though very tender in other things, should have little or no sense of that as his Duty. And 2. What should then be the Reason, that when he hath had any Thoughts tending that way, such Terrors, like a flaming Sword should pierce his Soul?

4. Whether, having been an Instrument to draw so many together into this way, it be not rather his Duty to continue with them, applying himself in all ways of Love and Forbearance to enlarge their Spirits, which he judges his Duty, because he finds a sensible ease in his Soul, upon such Resolutions and Applications?

5. Inasmuch as he stands an Elder over them, and is weakened in his Confidence against Infant Baptism (which they are so confident against) and also cannot baptize Believers otherwise than to satisfy their Scruple of Conscience that shall desire it out of doubt of the Defect is in their Infant Baptism, and with Cautioning of such to take heed of their taking it up so as to denominate their Christianity, Saint-ship, or Church-ship thereby; if any Party of the Congregation cannot bare him thus, but should separate, and so want means of Edification, or, as some say, rather be Quakers than so indifferent, or as one of them says, he would join with the Church of Rome, if he thought that true which Mr. Lamb says, namely, That he may have Communion with Persons not so baptized; whether considering their Danger he ought not hide, or cease to desist on his Sense, or what he ought to do?

6. Considering his present Temptatious and Assaults to his Faith and Sense of God's Love, it be his present Work to study to be settled in a full Persuasion one way or other about Baptism: But to mind his spiritual Defense against these Violent Assaults, which makes him say, O that he were in his late confidence again, and so is resolved to study the Arguments that are against Infant Baptism: And he is directed to your Twenty Arguments in the Book about right to Sacraments, about the necessity of Faith to interest in Baptism.

Now, sweet Mr. Baxter, shall I have so much Grace in your Sight, as to have your distinct Answer to these Particulars; truly, it will be Service to Jesus Christ, whom we have desired to serve in all singleness of Heart from our Youth up, and have no desire in this World like to this, to know his Will and do it, whose Love and the Light of whose Countenance, is better than Life to our Souls, having no Design but to serve our Lord upon the best Terms, who hath dealt bountifully with us, whose Mercy and Faithfulness we have often experienced.

I trust it is of God that put it into my Heart to write to you, and I will wait that the Son of Righteousness may shine through you, a Star in his Right Hand, to our Guidance in this Night of our Temptation. I acquaint none that I do it, were it known, it might occasion me some farther Trials: Therefore I entreat your Secrecy in it. My Husband hath indeed sometimes said, he would write to you: but hath said again, Mr. Baxter will not regard me; and indeed he hath scarce freedom of Mind to any Business, he should take a Journey to Worcester, which if he do, he says he will come to you: I do not acquaint him with this, but your Advice I know I shall be able to help him by. Now our Lord Jesus Christ, who still giveth Gifts to Men, and doth continue Means in his Church, sufficient to the help of all his poor Servants, be your Helper to us ward, with craving Pardon for my great Boldness, I take leave, and remain

YOURS in our Lord Jesus, Barbara Lamb.

London, in Great St. Bartholomews, this 12th of August, 1658.

I have enclosed sent a Copy of the mentioned Arguments, which pray peruse, and keep private.

Sir, I desire what you write in answer to me may be enclosed in a Cover, to Mr. James Marshal in Friday-Street at the Half Moon, who is my Son in Law, and so I shall have it with privacy. I shall long to know that these come safe to your Hands.

For Mr. Rich. Baxter, Minister of the Gospel in Kidderminster. These present.

Dear Mrs. Lamb,

HOW true did I feel it in the reading of your Husband's Lines and yours which you say in the beginning, that unacquaintedness with the Face is no hindrance to the Communion of the Saints: So much of Christ and his Spirit appeared to me in both your Writings, that my Soul in the reading of them was drawn out into a strong a Stream of Love, and closing Unity of Spirit, as almost ever I felt it my Life. There is a Connaturality of Spirit in the Saints that will work by Sympathy, and by closing uniting Inclinations, through greater Differences and Impediments than the external Act of Baptism: As a Load-stone will exercise its attractive Force through a Stone Wall. I have an inward Sense in my Soul, that told me so feelingly in the reading of your Lines, that your Husband, and you, and I are one in our dear Lord, that if all the self-conceited Dividers in the World should contradict it on the account of Baptism, I could not believe them.

About a Year ago Sir Henry Herbert gave me one of your Husband's Books about Baptism, which when I had read, I told him that the Author and I were one in Love, though not of one Opinion, and that he wrote in the most savory, honest, moderate Style of any of that Mind that ever I read. But truly the perusal of these Arguments persuade me yet to higher Thoughts of him, much more may be said than he hath said in that great and weighty Case; but yet I have met with none that hath said so much in so small a room. It delighteth me to feel the workings of a Catholic Spirit in his Lines. Nothing hath more undone us (except flat Ungodlyness) than the loss of Catholic Principles and Affections among Christians; (few are more void of them than the Papists that boast of them:) It must be this loving a Christian as a Christian that must hold when all is done: He that loveth Christ in Christians, will love all Christians where Christ appears. Should not Dividers fear least Christ say to them that castoff most of his Holy Members for this Opinion sake, Ye did it unto me? Is Christ in these Saints, or his he not? What! a Saint, and Christ not in him! that cannot be: And is he in them, and shall he be used so unkindly, so uncharitably, as to be cast by? Oh dear Mrs. Lamb, the Lamb of God hath reconciled greater Differences, and closed greater Differences than these: and his tender Bowels yearn over those that we sullenly reject. He that said to his sluggish Followers [The Spirit is willing, but the Flesh is weak;] and that sent so kind a Message to Peter (that lately denied him) as soon as he was risen, and that still shown such matchless Compassions to the weak, will give little Thanks to dividing Spirits that cast out his poor Servants whom he himself doth not cast out. I know not Mr. Lamb by Face, but Mr. Allen I know; could he find in his Heart to deny me Brotherly Communion if I desired it of him, and protested that I would be of his Opinion and Practice if I durst, and my contradicting Judgment did not hinder me: I have told the Pastors of the Re-baptized Churches here, that if any of their Judgment and Practice will satisfy themselves with being again Baptized, and will live in peaceable Communion with us, they shall be as dear to us as any other; and that if I were a Member of Mr. Tombeis Church, if he would permit me, I would live obediently under his Ministry (allowing me the Liberty of my Conscience): I hope God is working for our Unity and Peace. I have been long preaching of the Unity of the Catholic Church, containing all true Christians as Members; and the last Week save one, Mr. Tombes came to the Re-baptized Church at Bewdley, and preached on the same Subbject, and so excellently well (as I hear) for Unity among all true Christians, to the same purpose with your Husband's Arguments, that I much rejoiced to hear of it (though I hear some of his People were offended). And now that this should be seconded with your Husband's peaceable Arguments, puts me in some Hopes of a little more healing. I have strong Hopes that if I were in London I should persuade such as your Husband, and Mr. John Goodwin, and many an honest Presbyterian Minister (as great a distance as seems to be between them all) to come yet together, and live in Holy Communion. But be sure God will drive us together before he hath done with us: Living Members will smart by distance, and be impatient till the Wound be closed, what a Damp is upon the Spirits of those Christians that can separate (interpretatively) from a thousand parts (to one) of the Church of Christ. The Papists would desire no better sport (nor the Infidels neither) than to reduce the Church of Christ to the Antipaede Baptists, or the baptized at Age, and so to deny him to have had any visible Church in the World (that we can prove) for so many Years: Would they have held Communion with the Catholic Church for a thousand Years together, or would they not (if they had lived in those times)? If they would, then why not with us also that are of the same Judgment? Was it a Duty then, and is it unlawful now? or are they Respecters of Persons? If they would not in all those Ages have held Communion with the visible Church, what would they have done but separated from the Body, and so from the Head, and cast off Christ in all his Members, and taken him to be a Head without a Body, which is no head, and so no Christ, what would they have done but denied his Power, and Love, and Truth, and consequently his Redemption, and his Office? Hath he come at the end of Four Thousand Years (since the Creation) to redeem the World that lay so long in Darkness, and hath he made such wonderful Preparations for his Church by his Life and Miracles, and Blood and Spirit, &c. and promised that the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it, and that his Kingdom shall be an Everlasting Kingdom, and his Dominion endureth from Generation to Generation: and yet after all this shall he have a Church (even as the Seekers say) but for an Age or two: For doubtless (though' where Heathens were the Neighbors of the Church, many were baptized at Age, yet) no Man can name or prove a Society (or I think a Person) against infant Baptism for One Thousand Two Hundred Years at least, if not One Thousand Four Hundred: And for many Ages no other ordinarily baptized but Infants. If Christ had no Church, then where was his Wisdom, his Love, and his Power? What was become of the Glory of his Redemption, and his Catholic Church, that was to continue to the End? That Man that can believe that Christ had no Church for so long time, or any one Age since his Ascension, must turn an Infidel and deny him to be Christ, if he be a rational Man. Did all the Gospel Precepts of Love and Holy Communion cease, as soon as Infant Baptism prevailed? doubtless (though it be be his Ordinance) Christ never laid so great a stress on the outward Washing as Dividers do. Whenever Baptism is mentioned in Scripture, it means [The Engagement of the Person to Jesus Christ by solemn Covenant, which Washing is appointed to Solemnize] and 1 Cor. 12. 13. doth plainly mean [That one Holy Spirit, which is usually given to the Baptized, either in or near their outward Baptism, doth inwardly animate all the Body, and unite them and assimilate them and prove them Members]. Constantine the Great was the Glory of the Church in his Generation, maintaining Holiness and Peace, when the Pastors were some Corrupters, and some Dividers, and would have broken all in Pieces but for him: He ordinarily Preached, (or made Holy Prayers and Speeches in Meetings) and yet was never baptized all this while till near Death, and none ever scrupuled his Communion. I would know of the Dividers why they should think Baptism more necessary to be believed than the other Sacrament, the Supper of the Lord: Yet it is certain that all the ancient Church did purposely conceal the Lord's Supper from the Knowledge of the Catechumens; by which it appears they judged not the Belief of it essential to a Church Member: Yet I know the great thing meant by the Word Baptism in Scripture is essential to the Church-Membership of the Adult; that is, the giving up ourselves to God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost in Covenant; but the Sign is only necessary as a Duty, but not as a means without which the thing cannot be had. This is voluminously proved against the Papists, with whom the contrary minded do comply. Circumcision in the Wilderness was separated from Church-Membership and Communion. And is the outward part of Baptism more necessary under the Gospel, which setteth less by Externals, and where God that is a Spirit will be worshipped in Spirit and in Truth: and where neither Circumcision nor Un-Uncircumcision availeth anything, but a new Creature, and Faith that worketh by Love.

But our main Argument against them is, That no true Definition can be given of Baptism that will not agree with Infant-Baptism, if it were granted to be unlawful, were it proved an unmeet Age, it will never prove the Baptism null. But I do but go besides your Expectation, I suppose in all this; which is occasioned by your Husbands Paper and the main Cause. I shall therefore come at last to your Case.

But will Mr. Lamb regard the Judgment of one that differeth from him as I do? You know according to my Judgment what I must advise him to: but though still it is my Judgment that Infants of Believers should be solemnly given up to Christ by Baptism; yet I shall deal as impartially as I can, and put myself in Mr. L 's Case, and supposing I were of his Opinion against Infant-Baptism. I shall answer your particular Questions. To the two first I answer: 1. We have a sure Word to fly to for Direction, and many great and evident Principles (as here the Nature of the Catholic Church, &c. ) to give us Light in the darker Points that depend upon them: and in such a Case it is dangerous gathering our Informations about Truth or Duty, or Sin from dark and doubtful Providences, which are not our Rule, but only some Effects of the Will of God, that as to Events are clear, but as to Truth and Duty can tell us nothing or very little, but in full Subordination to our Rule, from which they must receive their Light. And of all Providences few are darker than Motions and Troubles from our own Thoughts, so many, and secret, and powerful Causes are there within us, and about us of Misapprehensions and misled Passions, that its very dangerous boldly to Judge of the Mind of God by our own disturbed Minds; when it is our Duty to judge our own Minds by God's, and God's Mind by his Word; his particular Providences being mostly but to help the Word in working in a Subordination to it. 2. I cannot be sure that know him not, but I suspect by the Narrative, that this is Mr. L. 's Case; 1. His Heart being upright in what he had before done, God in Mercy gave into his Mind, that Light concerning Catholicism and Brotherly Love, and other Truths contained in his Papers, which tended to his Satisfaction and Recovery. 2. Upon the sight of this much Truth, it must needs raise some Trouble in his Mind, that he had acted contrarily before, and yet the Words of the contrary Minded holding him in suspense, and unresolved about his future Practice, at least, increased his Trouble (an unresolved Mind in great Matters being a Burden to itself). 3. And the terrible Threats and hard Prognostics of these Dissenters and their Censures of him, might yet sink deeper. For it is the way of some to fall upon our Passions instead of our Judgments, and stir up Fears in us, instead of convincing us. As the Papists win abundance by telling them, that no others can be saved (as if we should be frightened to the Party that will be most uncharitable, when Charity is the Christians Badge). So I doubt too many do, that we have now to speak of. 4. The Apprehension of his Peoples Discontent, and some bad Consequents to them and himself, that he Apprehended would follow his Return, did yet make the disturbance more. 5. The long and serious Study of the Matter with much Intention, might yet go farther. 6. And by all these means, I conjecture he is somewhat surprised with Melancholy. 7. And then (if that prove so) its very hard to gather the Mind of God from his Disturbances; for they will follow the Impresses on his own disturbed Mind. But all these are but my distant Conjectures from what you write. But to come nearer.

3. Whether he have contracted any Melancholy or no, this is my Judgment of the Causes of his Changes. 1. God caused his Light and Convictions in much Mercy, that's evident by the Conformity of his Assertions here to the Word of God, and the Principles of Christianity. 2. Satan envied him and others the Mercy that was given in: and therefore I verily think he is the cause of his Horrors and Troubles, when he thinks of returning to Unity with others, and wholly withdrawing himself from the Schism: My Reasons are, 1. Because I know that the Work is of God, and Ergo, who but Satan should be against it. 2. Because that Troubling, and Terrifying, and Disturbing the Passions is usually his Work; especially when it is against God's Light. God worketh by Light, and drawing the Heart to Truth and Goodness: But Satan usually worketh by stirring in the Passions to muddy the Judgment. 3. Common Experience tells us, That it is his ordinary way, where once he hath got Power, to give quiet in Sin, and to trouble and terrify upon Thoughts of Recovery. Quest. But how should he have such Power with a Servant of God? This leadeth me more particularly to answer your first Question. God frequently giveth him such Power over his own Servants, 1. When the Service we are upon is a recovering Work, which implieth our former Guilt. It was no small Sin (though ignorantly committed by an honest Heart) for Mr. L. to separate and draw so many with him, and put so much Credit and Countenance upon a Cause, that hath made such sad and miserable work among the Saints: O! What Churches might we have had by this time in England, if the Enemy had not made use of our dividing Friends to his Advantage, and to do his Work.

Now you must not marvel if the Accuser and Executioner have some Power given him to be a Vexation to a Godly Man after such Guilt. And indeed so few look back that fall into Divisions, that Mr. L. should not grudge at a little Perplexity that meets him in the way of so great a Mercy. An ingenuous Mind would not come out of so great a Sin without some moderate Trouble for it (and for it, it is meritoriously, and should be intentionally). 2. Especially if Melancholy give him advantage, Satan (that commonly worketh by that means and Instrument) may do Wonders. 3. And I shall tell you of some other ends in the conclusion, that I conjecture at.

To your Second Question I say, it seems to me, as is said, a hard thing; yea, impossible to judge of his Cause by these his Passions: But it's most probable by far, that this Distress of Spirit is for his former Sin in separating (to say nothing of Re-baptizing) and that it is also a gracious Providence for some further Good, that yet he knows not of.

To the Third Question I answer, I know not the State of Mr. Goodwin 's Church, and Ergo, can say nothing to it, whether he should return thither: But my Judgment is 1. That he should in Prudence a little forbear deserting his separated Church for the ends in the Conclusion mentioned. 2. That when he removeth he should preach the Gospel on the Terms in the end. 3. That if he must be a private Member, he should rather go to Mr. Goodwin 's Church than another, if it be rightly constituted, (because he thence removed): But if it be disorderly gathered out of many Parishes without Necessity, were I in his case I would rather join with another Church, and that in the Parish where he lives, if there be a Church that is fit to be joined with; if not, I would remove my Dwelling to the Parish that I would join with: Cohabitation is the Aptitude requisite to Church-Membership. To Your Question, Why his Conscience feels not this Duty: I know not, unless providence mean, as I shall speak anon. But I marvel if he feels not the Sin of his Separation.

To your Fourth, I answer: Having drawn so many into a Schism, it is his great unquestionable Duty to do all that he can to get them out of it: and if he cannot, to leave them, and partake no longer in their Sins; yea, and do more than this for his Recovery and theirs.

To your Fifth Question: It is answered in the former; he ought openly to disown the Sin of Separation.

To the Sixth: If he be Melancholy, let him forbear Studies; if not, he should impartially search after the Truth by Study, but with Patience, not setting God a time for his Resolution. As for my Twenty Arguments, which you say he is referred to, I partly considered what they made for, before I set them down. They prove a Necessity of Profession of Consent in all adult Covenanters: But yet Parents may profess their Consent to their Children's Covenanting or Engagement: The Parents are the Believers and the Consenters, and Ergo, must be the Professors. They have Power of devoting, and giving up, and engaging their Children to God. I would Mr. L. could tell me [When the Privilege and Duty of Parents entering their Children into the Holy Covenant with God, and solemnizing this did cease? Let him answer me but that one Question well, and prove it, and I will be of his mind (but this is besides my Intent): It will not prove that Infants are not saved, because it is said so oft, That he that believeth shall not perish: and he that believeth not, is condemned already, and shall be damned, &c. No more will it prove that Infants that profess not, and believe not, may not be entered by professing Parents into Covenant with God, (as undoubtedly till Christ's Time they were) because Profession is necessary to the adult. As the Parents Will disposeth of them (for their good) so the Parents Profession is enough. But I come to my Conclusion.

I am no Prophet; but I hope God hath given Mr. L. his Light and his Trials, yet for higher ends; and suffered him to delay his Relinquishment of the Schism, that he may be more serviceable to the Church, in helping to heal the common Breach. To which End I make this Motion to him, and tell him from me, I think it is of God, and will produce his Comfort.

1. If he desire it, I will presently send him a Model of Agreement between the Churches of the Poedobaptists and Anabaptists (as commonly called) in order to their charitable brotherly Communion, and the preservation of the common Truth, that it suffer not by our Divisions: This he and I will subscribe to, and then I doubt not to get Mr. Tombes to subscribe it; and next I will get all our Association to subscribe it; and next let Mr. T. and he get what other of the Re-baptized to subscribe it that will. If none but he and I do it, we will publish it, and shame the World into a Peace, or do our Parts. And methinks I foresee great Benefits that will ensue (more than this Paper will hold to enumerate). 2. When this Agreement is Published, Mr. L. shall also Publish his Arguments, and I my Reasons for our Agreement. 3. When this is done, let Mr. L. become the Pastor of a Church that's mixed of the Baptized and Re-baptized, if it may be; if not, at least a Public Preacher in a convenient Station: For I see that Light in his Argumentation, that he may not hide, and that God will never Suffer him to cast off and go against but at his Peril (which I cannot fear). Dear Mrs. L. receiving your Letter near Bed-time on Saturday Night, I thought it no Sin to make it part of this Lord's Day's Work to return you this Answer, which I desire you to accept from (and pray for)

Your Brother, in the Covenant and Spirit of Christ, Rich. Baxter.

Aug. 22. 1658.

If Mr. L. look into my Book for Infant Baptism, let him know that I much repent of the harsh Language in it, but not of the main matter.

London, the 16th of Sept. 1658.

Honoured Sir,

I Perceive my Wife hath, unknown to me, sent you my Papers touching Free Communion with all Saints, which God knoweth my Heart and Soul is in; and since the Matter is so well received by you, as appeareth by your kind answer, and my own particular Case so affectionately tendered by you, I am encouraged to further Converse, and indeed do welcome your Overtures of a loving Correspondency with many Thanks both to God and yourself: 'It is a rare thing to find Men of Parts, Learning, and great Abilities, clothed with Bowels of Mercies, or Humbleness of Mind, Psal. 113. 5, 6. The Prophet speaketh in the Praise of the Almighty; That though he was high, yet humbled himself to consider the things on Earth; yea, even the poor on the Dunghil sitting in Dust; God's Heighth hindereth not him, but Men's doth them ordinarily, though not in it self: Not as a Cause, but as an Occasion through the Corruption that is in the Heart of the best. It may be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ whom I have sought with Fasting, Prayers and Tears; hath appointed you to interpret his wonderful dealing with me, and to show me my Uprightness. I mean what he will account so. He that could do so, would be an Interpreter one of a Thousand to me that walk in Darkness, and see little Light: O, that I knew the Mind and Will of God in my difficult Case! happy should I be: I have this Comfort in my Affliction, that my Will is perfectly subdued to God's: I would go his way if I could tell where it lay: But alas! I cannot find it: I make my moan to the Almighty, but he seemeth to carry it severely towards me, instead of making straight Paths for my Feet: Upon my earnest Solicitations, he leaveth me in the Hand of Tormenting Fears. That you may the better know what to say to me, I shall as briefly as I can, tell you my case.

My Understanding being enlightened that all Saints, as Saints, ought to hold Church Communion against what I have foolishly printed (for which I loath my self, and abhor the Sight of it): I set myself to consider other Events that lead me to that narrowness of Spirit, at last come to doubt whether God be pleased with Re-baptizing, to the Rejection of Infants out of the Visible Church: But am out of doubt in this, that to rebaptize any now, do denominate their visible Saintship, or give right to Church Fellowship, and so to part them from all the Believers in Christ not so Baptized as the World, as not of the visible Church of God, is a most pernicious Error, and a great Evil; further, I found fault with Popular Government in the Church, as it confounds the Definition of Governor and Governed. Also that in the settled State of the Church, no Man ought to take a Personal Charge but Persons both able, and wholly devoted to the Work. That to be a Merchant and a Minister doth not agree, except in Cases of invincible Necessity: That in the Levitical Order appointed by God, there is a moral equity respecting the Ministers of the Gospel, both Separation to the Work, and and Maintenance in it; and however People may Imagine, the contrary Principles and Practices prove dishonorable to God, and destructive to Religion.

In the multitude of these Thoughts I began to conclude, that it was not possible for me to hold my Relation to the People I now serve, and that God enlightened me in these things on purpose to appear against them, and lead others out of them; in this Confidence I grew bold, and began to preach something publicly that I knew would turn the Congregation against me, and so prepare me for my Return to Mr. John Goodwin 's from whom I separated about Five Years ago: But the Truth is, as I began to widen from the Church I relate to, my Soul sank into deep Mire, where there was no standing, into a horrible Pit, the Arrows of the Lord stuck fast in me, and his Hand pressed me sore, the Poison of them drunk up my Spirit, and the Terrors of the Lord set themselves in array against me, instead of the Smiles of Christ, and the comfortable Testimony of Conscience, as to a service pleasing to God and the Lord Jesus Christ, I met with hellish Horrors, Temptations to d spair of God's Love to me, and much ado to keep my Head above Water.

Whereupon I humbled myself under the mighty Hand of God, and stopped my present Prosecutions of my Purposes, which was to have burnt my Books; to have returned to Mr. Goodwin's again; to have provided my Papers with some Additions, and a solemn Address to all the Churches under that Form: But meeting with this wonderful Opposition from God, my Hand hangeth down, and my Knee feeble, I am in an amaze, not knowing what to say, think, or do: But this I have found, That as widening from the People I am with brought us great distress, so joining with them again assuageth the Waters of my Affliction, upon these Terms I stand not daring to stir from them, nor do anything to prejudice my esteem with them: But yet not satisfied neither through Fear, least by going on the way I am engaged in, I should countenance a By-way not pleasing to God. And thus by degrees, I have opened to you the perfect State of my Case, but it was because you would ask me what matter the Enemy (if it were the Enemy) wrought on to make me so great Affliction upon it, one thing was some Thoughts of Heart that I had had concerning my Children: That made it indeed a matter desirable to me to be out of this way; but my Conscience telleth me the Thoughts was lawful and good, and that they had not the least influence in the change of my Judgment. Another thing is, the way we are in is a very narrow way, and we have some Christians, my dear and intimate Friends, that walk in it, that excel in holiness, and are gone somewhat farther out of the World with their Hearts, through their Faith and Sense of future things than ordinarily Christians go; these all frowned on me. And then 3. The way I should return to was more open, and the Persons less sensible (Oh, Sir, there is abundance have Knowledge, but there is but a few have a rich Sense) 4. I should leave the Poor, and go among the Rich, that minded more the adorning of the outward Man than the glorious Gospel of Christ ordinarily: whereas my Spirit is much set against gay Apparel and following of Fashions; not but that Mr. Goodwin 's Church is as sober as most, I think as any, But the Truth is, it is a Sin in my Apprehension at least) that few are sufficiently sensible of. 5. My Conscience telleth me, that as for Parishes, there is no proceedings in Parishes that are worthy the Name of Church-Proceedings ordinarily. There is indeed in some few an able Man to Preach, and the People go to hear, but as for watching, visiting, and nourishing, and such like faithful Proceedings for the Health of Souls, there are but few lay any such things to Heart; so that the Parishes, for the most part, are but like a dead Corps without Life. The living Stones are gone into one gathered Church or other, but I confess, I do not find them blessed after. 6. Another thing was the Danger that the Souls of our Friends would be in upon my leaving them. 7. The making of thousands of Hearts sad, who have their Eyes upon me.

I perceive your Propositions at the end of your Letter, Alas for me, I shall be fit for nothing, except God be pleased to heal my wounded Spirit; that is my great Care for the present, how to behave myself to obtain the Light of his Countenance. If God would go before me, and lead me, I would do anything, the Joy of the Lord is our Strength; but however I thank God that enableth me to hold out waiting; I am sure my Soul hungereth and thirsteth after Righteousness more than all Riches, and therefore I am under the Promise of being filled at last: I have indeed covered to serve God, and secretly plotted how to cast my Affairs, so that I might be free for it, I have in order to the Devotion of my Soul to the Word and Prayer, wholly taken myself off all Converse with the World, and supposing I should not long stay where I am, I was considering where I might be useful: At last I thought of going into some Country, with the leave of Mr. Goodwin 's Church, where there was much People, and no means, and there to seat myself, having a good Estate of my own, by which I could not only serve freely, but do much good. This I thought would have been pleasing to God, I resolved not to meddle with the Point of Baptism one way or other, but have striven the Conversion of Souls to Jesus Christ: But his late Frowns on me maked me fear he will take no delight in me: But however, since I call him Father, it is fit I should say Thy will be done; even so Father let it be. Amen, Amen.

If you would draw up such a Model of Agreement as you write of, I know not how much it may conduce to the Glory of God: I believe some here would subscribe it, I hope many: I propounded it to Mr. Manton; he said, he should like such a thing very well.

The Lord preserve your Life, Health, and Strength, that you may live to do God more Service; your Zeal provoketh many: I am fully persuaded, and, I think, upon good Grounds, that had the Ministers taken the Course, that I hear you take at Kidderminster, it had prevented Separation. The good Lord fill you with his Holy Spirit, and enable you to do yet more abundantly. Dear Sir, I entreat you to use your Interest in Heaven for me, that my Faith may be strengthened, which the Enemy layeth at daily; to enlighten my Understanding; to give me good knowledge and good Judgment; to deliver my Conscience from unnecessary Scruples; to manifest his Love to me, and increase my Love to him; and, if it be his Will, to use and comfort me in his Service, which he knoweth is Meat and Drink to me, who am

Your affectionate Friend and Brother in Christ Jesus, Tho. Lamb.

I hope shortly to hear from you.

Dear Mr. Baxter,

I Do return my many Thanks for your excellent Letter which I have received with the enclosed; wishing I knew how to requite your Love, and answer that Favor I found with you in your large Letter, which is not in vain to us-ward, but of much use; the Lord requite your Labor of Love. I only redouble my Request for an Interest in your Prayers, that God would deliver my dear Husband from all his Fears, and guide him by his Light; our God will hear, who keepeth Covenant and Mercy forever with those that fear him. I rest,

SIR,

Your Sister and Lover in our Lord Jesus, B. L.

Sept. 20. 1658.

For Mr. Rich. Baxter, Minister at Kidderminster.

Dear Brother,

AS sure as Love is a Fruit of the Spirit, the Character of a Saint; yea, the more excellent way, and as terminated on him whom we love in the Saints, is the most high and noble Grace, as being the Beginning and End, the Spring of all other Holy Affections and Actions, and the enjoining Act that's next our End, so far is that State to you a growing State, in which you increase in Holy Love, and so sure was that a declining State in which your Charity was straightened and diminished: and as sure is that Doctrine of Christ that leadeth to an universal Love of Saints; and that against Christ, which is against it. It is not the least Grief of my own Soul, that in the eager Defense of that which still I judge to be the Truth, I have done anything prejudicial to my own or Brethren's Charity. Upon perusal I now find that many of my Speeches in my Book of Infant Baptism have been too provoking, of which I heartily repent, though I dare not of the Doctrine. The Frame of our Affections doth much advantage or disadvantage our Judgments, and Experience is a help to both. This I perceive you have found as well as I: All Holy Truths must be entertained with mixed Affections; with Sorrow for anything that we have done against them; and with Love, and Joy, and Gratitude to the bountiful Revealer of them. These that you here enumerate; as revealed to you, are very weighty, because of such a practical Nature, and public use; and Ergo, you must be true to them, and use them accordingly: they are such as leave no room for Doubting, as bearing their Testimony so legible in their Forehead: This being concluded that they are certain Truths, it may much help you to judge of your following Troubles. I shall reduce all that I have to say for Resolution to these Propositions. 1. The Word of God, and not the Troubles of your own Spirit, is the standing Rule by which you must judge of Duty and Sin: You cannot know either by your Troubles immediately, but as they awaken or help you to understand that Word. 2. It is Ergo, most certain that none of your Troubles should in the least measure, move you from the certain Truths, which by the Light of this Word hath been made known to you. All the Troubles in the World will not alter Scripture, and make Truth to be no Truth: You must not once offer to try Scripture Truths by your Feelings, but your Feelings by these Truths. 3. You must therefore first see whether you obey the Truth revealed to you; which plainly requireth you first to manifest Repentance for so much breach of Truth or Unity, or Chrity as you have seen yourself Guilty of. 2. And to be Guilty of the same no more. Now whether you live in that Sin, or out of it, I leave to you to judge. And no doubt but it is your Duty to do your utmost, to draw all those out of it, whom you have encouraged in it, and as many more as you can. There are but these two Questions then before you; What is the Cause of your Trouble? and how you should dispose of yourself for the future. And to the first I answer in this fourth Proposition: Though we know in general that Sin is the deserving Cause, and God's Wisdom and Love the disposing Cause; yet it is not easy to find out the particular Sins, nor the particular Design of Love: but the former is the more easy by the help of Scripture, which showeth us our Sin more fully than God's future intended Works. 5. But, as it is certain that no Providence is to be interpreted against a Precept; so, as far as I can conjecture at this distance your Trouble is most likely to arise from these connected Causes: 1. From some Melancholy that hath got Advantage of your Head, by the Thoughtfulness, Perplexity, and the first actual Disquietments. 2. From Satan's Temptations working on this Advantage; but of the first I am no competent Judge, because distant: But I strongly suspect it (by long Experience in Multitudes of that Distemper, who few of them will believe that they have it themselves). But of the second I am more confident: Satan cannot trouble us when he will, but 1. When Sin hath procured him a Permission: and 2. When some Melancholy or Disquietments have given him an Advantage. I have met with few Persons that ever fell into any Calamity by Sin, but Satan did very much trouble them when they attempted the means of their Recovery. The Disquietments and Horrors that seize upon most ungodly Persons, when they are about coming home by Christ, may be from God principally, but from Satan as the Instrument of his Wrath, and as permitted to try them. Whenever any escape any notable Snare of Satan (in State or Fact) usually Satan roareth and rageth to hinder them, if posible, till the escape is made, and then God meeteth them with further Eight and Love: Pharaoh follows them into the Red Sea, and God receives them, and puts a Song of Praise into their Mouths on the dry Land.

But this first Question is not such as you need much to stick at: You may easily see for what Sin its like you should have this Affliction; or if you could not (after a faithful Search) get rid of all and sweep as clean as possibly you can, and then you will remove that Sin with the rest. The resolving of the next Question is your principal Business, which is, to know now where your Duty lieth for the time to come: For when once you are settled in the way of Duty, Peace will return, and the dark Face of your now disconsolate Soul be cleared up (unless any deep Melancholy, or unusual Providence should continue your Trouble) and indeed it is not very easy to see the way of your Duty to the end; but part of it is very easy: 1. That you should obey the Light that God hath manifested to you, and help to communicate Catholic Principles and Affections to all your People, to the utmost of your Power, this is certain; and do all that you are able to cure uncharitable dividing Principles or Dispositions. 2. That you may not live in a Practice contrary to your Doctrine is as plain; and Ergo, may not be guilty of continuing a divided Church; though you may prudently observe the fittest manner and Season of your coming off: Therefore it seems to me your Duty, freely, lovingly, compassionately to communicate your Reasons to your Auditors: if they can prove them unsound, (which I am sure they cannot in the main) then yield to them; if they cannot, then beg their Pardon for misguiding them, and beseech them to return, not to any Sin against God, but to the Love of the Saints, and the Unity of the universal Body of Christ, and the Communion of Brethren. 3. To return to Mr. I. Goodwin 's Church again, I dare not dissuade you or advise you; but I would not do it if I lived in another Parish, where I could have Lawful Communion; yea, or if I could live in such a Parish, I would not be a Member of a Church gathered out of many Parishes, in such a Place as London: Co-habitation is in Nature and Scripture Example, made the necessary Disposition of the Materials of a Church. 4. My Thoughts still are, that you should Preach the Gospel in some Congregation most suitable to you.

But I am very glad that you give me the Reasons of your Trouble; for it is a sad kind of Work for you or another to plead against Troubles in the dark, which a Man can give no Reason for. 1. Your First I need say nothing to: If you had ever had a Temptation to thrust in a wrong Motive into a good Cause, it neither proves the Cause bad, (else all our Preaching were too bad) or your Heart bad; as you see your Sin, I hope you see your sufficient Remedy. 2. The Second is carnal, to resist so great a Truth and Duty, lest good People be displeased; what! are they your God? God must be enough for you, if ever you will have enough; and it must satisfy you that he is pleased, if ever you will be satisfied. Tell those Christians, you will not cease to Love them, by Loving more; nor cease any due Communion with them, by having Communion with more: Keep in with them by Love and Correspondency, even whether they will or no, even when you have left their Separation. Do not reproach them when you leave them, but enjoy the Good of their Communion still, as you have Opportunity. God's House hath many Mansions; if your Friends think that their Closet is all the House, convince them of their Mistake, and confine yourself to that Closet no longer but yet renounce it not; it may be a part (though sinfully divided) though it be not the whole. 3. The way that you are called to is God's High way: and though the Churches have many in them that are dead, yet have they with them as many living Members as yours, and many more, if these parts may be Witnesses: I would not be a Member of that Church willingly that is composed of none but not able Christians; though I most Love the best, and delight most in their Fellowship, and wish that all were such, yet when I see a Church so gathered, I easily find it is a wrong Constitution, and not according to the Mind of Christ. I will never join with them that will have but one Form in Christ's School. I would have the A B C there taught as well as the profoundest Mysteries. 'It is no Sign of the Family of God to have no Children (what if I said Infants) in it, but strong Men only: Nor of the Hospital of Christ to have none Sick; nor of his Net to have no Fish, but Good; nor of his Field to have no Tares: Flesh and Blood hath ticed me oft to Separation, for Ease; but its too easy a way to be of God: I undergo another kind of Life; you are extremely mistaken if you think that you are put on so much Duty and Self-denial, by many Degrees, among your Hundred Professors, as we must undergo: Your Work is Idleness to ours; how then is yours the straiter way? 4. For Riches and gay Apparel, you may help to cure Excess where you find it: What! a Physician fly because his Patients are Sick! O that we had no sorer Diseases to encounter, than fine Cloaths: If you were with me, I could tell you quickly where to find Forty Families of humble, godly Christians, that are as bare, and Poor as you would Wish, and need as much as you can give them or procure them; that scarce lose a Day's Work by Sickness, but the Church must maintain them. And I could send you to Sixty Families that are as poor, and yet so Ignorant as more to need your spiritual Help. When they have sat by me to be instructed in my Chamber, they sometimes leave the Lice so plentiful that we are stored with them for a competent space of time. Never keep in a Separated Church to avoid Riches and fine Cloaths, and for fear lest you cannot meet with the Poor. I warrant you a Cure of that Melancholy Fear in most places in England. 5. The next is the great Block. 1. If you gather out the choicest Members that should help the rest, and then complain of Parishes, when you have mar'd them, you do not justly. 2. If you will not do your Duty in a Parish, because some Ministers do not theirs, your excuse is frivolous. 3. If I durst have gathered a separated Church here, I could have had one large and numerous enough, or such as would allow me ease; but I think Parish Work the best. We here agree on these Four Heads, 1. To teach all: In which Work in my Parish, I could find Work for Ten Ministers, if I could maintain them. 2. To admit none as adult Members, without a personal credible Profession of Faith and Holiness (of which I refer you to my Treatise of Confirmation). 3. To exercise Discipline with these. 4. To hold Communion of Churches by Associations and Assemblies of the Officers: And I bless God, I find not my Parish such a dead Body as you speak of. Among Eight Hundred Families, Six Hundred Persons are Church-Members: I hope there is not very many of these without such a Profession as giveth us good Hopes of their Sincerity; and none whose Profession I am able any way to disprove, and this satisfieth me as God's Way; and many (I hope Scores) there be of those that join not with us (on divers Accounts) that I hope fear God: If you have Charity to judge that our Parishes have Christians, you may have Charity to judge that they have Life, and some fit for Communion. How tender is Christ of his weakest Members? and shall not I imitate him? yea, shall I judge them that am so bad myself, and pluck them from his Arms, that designeth it as his highest Honor, to be admired and glorified in the freeness and fullness of his Grace and Love to the Unworthy. 6. Your Followers Souls are by you endangered, while you leave them in their Sin; will it endanger them to tell them of that Danger, and help them out? What! to lead Men to Holy Love and Unity with the Catholic Church of Christ? such danger will be but by Accident; as every necessary Duty hath its Danger. A loving, melting Lamentation for that Violation of Charity, which your own, and their Division hath been guilty of, is like to profit humble Souls that love the Truth: and if they are such as will not endure the Doctrine of Love and Unity, what are they better than our Parishes? 7. None will be sad for the Return of a Brother to Unity or Love, but those that grieve for your Felicity, not knowing what they do. You would not forbear a Return to God from any gross Sin, for fear of grieving Men: Is not Schism a gross Sin? Are they not great that are directly against Love and Unity, the Soul and Life of the Church of Christ? and were you no whit partial, you would think that Twenty Hearts made glad at your Recovery, for one that's made sad, should at least here leave the Ballance even. A Publish'd Exhortation from you (such as it seems you intended) to draw your Party to Unity and Communion with all true Christians, and dissuade them hereafter from Censoriousness, opposition to the Ministry, and Separation upon the Account of so difficult a Point, and so far from the Heart of the new Man, might do more good than your overseeing that Church an Hundred Years, it is not a Trifle to hold an Opinion that would warrant a Man to have denied, or separated from the universal visible Church, for so many Hundred Years; even for almost all the time of its Existence since Christ. I forbear sending you the Form of Concord mentioned till you are readier for it, and shall desire it, as judging it useful, and then, God willing, I shall send it. The Lord I hope will clear up to you his Mind concerning the way in which he would have you walk, and in the way of Duty give you the Peace, which you desire and expect. I rest

Your unworthy Brother, Rich. Baxter. To Mr. Lamb.

Sept. 29. 1658.

London, the 15th of January, 1658.

Dear Sir,

THESE are to return you many Thanks for your two Letters, which have been a very great Comfort to me in my Affliction and Warfare that I am now engaged in. Sir, I thought good to be silent a while, and not to trouble you with anymore Letters till I had some new thing to say to you: Now what I have to say is reducible to Three Heads; 1. I would inform you what God hath done for me since my last. 2. What I have done, I hope, in his Strength; and that I may not doubt to say 'tis for him in the Point of Union. And 3. The present Frame of my Spirit and State.

1. For God's dealing with me. Sir, after waiting on the Lord in his way, sighing for Light, and panting after him for refreshing; as the Heart panteth after the Water Brook: My Light hath broke forth as the Morning: It hath rose in obscurity: and my Darkness became as the Noon Day. I see by Experience, that though I am dark, God is Light; and though I am poor, he is Rich; and I believe there is nothing I want, but Heaven is full of it. The right Notion of God's Universal Church, and the Unity he would have amongst the Members; and indeed, the necessity thereof upon the Penalty of infinite Dammage to the most excellent Body of Christ is, that God hath blest me with the Sght of, and shewn me as in a Glass, the Condition of all our Congregations that refuse Communion with other Churches of Christ, standing off from the main body of the Church militant, as Christ's Part of that Body, as Antichristian; and so refusing to give or take Influences for their Comfort and Succor: It healeth the whole, but dreadfully endangereth those small Parts so divided: Just as it would endanger a Troop or Company that should stand off from the main Body of a great Army that hath a potent Enemy engaged in the Field against them. By this Light I perceive our Case, namely, that we are, as you say, guilty of Schism. The Light in this Matter being clear to me, I now begin to be satisfied that the Lord hath visited me from an high in Mercy, and that all my inward Oppositions, and outward too, from my Friends, are of Satan to stop me in a blessed Work. I praise God I am now helped to bear the Reproaches of my dear Friends that pour Contempt upon me daily, as a most dreadful Apostate, a Judas, one that it had been good for never to have been born; one, that though I were as the Signet on God's Right Hand, I should be plucked from thence; others wishing they had followed me to my Grave when they went with me to Baptism. But it stirreth me not much; for though their Zeal for God and his Truth, and their Love to Christ and Holiness, and Ability to suffer for Christ be more than mine, yet my Conscience telleth me they are in an Error, and that I am sincere in all I do, not swayed by carnal Considerations, in which I am so manifest to their Consciences, that they are more troubled with me for that things sake. Oh, Sir, I admire how a Man without the Brest-plate of Righteousness holdeth up his Head in such a Day: But withal, I experience the Worth and Excellency thereof. By the Grace of God, my Righteousness I will hold fast, and my Heart shall not reprove me all my Days: My conscience telleth me (which is my great Comfort) that I have not wickedly departed from my God, that I would not break the least of his Laws willingly, to gain a Thousand Worlds: That the Love I bear to my Savior, and his most excellent Body, the Church, is the chief thing that inspireth me in all I do.

Now 2. Touching what I have done towards Union since I wrote last, it is as followeth: 1. I have been at Mr. G. 's Congregation, from whom I departed, to acknowledge my Sin in separating from them upon such silly Grounds, and have offered my self to break bread with them if they pleased: But withal, told the whole Church, that for two Reasons I could not come so close to them as heretofore, 1. because of my Relation to the poor People I now serve, being not yet well lodged in some safe Place. And 2. because of some Scruples in my Mind, whether Independency did not infer Schism in the Church Universal: As that Independency upon the narrow foot; I mean, that which divideth Communion with Saints, as Saints doth, so my refusing Communion with them, made me guilty of Schism, in respest of that particular, I do not doubt it, and our Anabaptists are their natural Offspring. But how to determine my Duty, in respect of Mr. Goodwin 's Church, from whom I separated, and with whom I was for many Years joined, I know not, considering their Principles are larger for Communion than others.

2. Amongst ourselves I have privately urged, to my Friends enlarging considerably.

3. I have myself with my Family frequented the public Lectures.

4. In the Strength of God taken Courage to preach to the Congregation the Doctrine of the Church Universal, and its Unity, from 1 Cor. 12. 26. and from thence to show them the Schismatical state wherein we are; which Sermons hath brought the Anabaptists about my Ears from other Parts. Four or five of them opposed me the last first day after my Sermon, and because of what I had preached the Day before, half my own Congregation never came to hear me: Their Hearts are quite gone from me: Not any of the Church cometh to see me, or ask me any Question.

Now 3. and Lastly, As to the present frame of my Spirit and State it is thus. As to the uniting Work I have in Hand, I thank God I am bold, and am waiting on God, (upon whose Influences I live) to guide me in Thought, Word, and Deed about it, but I have lately been sorely troubled with one Temptation: What should I preach, or write anything for, concerning Religion? I cannot endure To ments for Christ if I should be tried 'tis not for such faint hearted Creatures as I to meddle in such Work: Now the Conscience of this, that indeed I am a poor Creature, weak both in Faith and Spirit, hath made way for this Temptation to seize upon me, to the saddening of my Soul, and to the en eebling of me to so great a Degree, that for this two or three Days I have not been able to do anything. As for my present State in respect of the Church, I am still with them, and purpose, God willing, to Morrow to apply what I have preached about Schism. The next Wednesday is appointed to debate things; our Friends call in the Heads of other Churches to their Assistance, and I hear those from abroad intend to stir up our Friends to cast me out of the Church, what the Issue will be God knoweth, and what to do with myself afterwards I know not, I know I shall be sorely beset by the Enemy; but my hope is in God, that he will not suffer me to be tempted above that I am able, and that my merciful Redemer and High Priest will be touched with the Feeling of my Infirmities, himself being tempted, he knoweth how to succor those that are tempted. Heb. 4. 16. saith, Grace hath a Throne: and 5. 20, 21. saith, Grace reigneth: Oh blessed be God! 1 Ephes. saith, he hath given him to be Head over all things to the Church; not to govern it only, but to influence it with all necessary Supplies, to fill all in all. He supposed while we are here, we shall be in an indigent Condition divers ways: but at that Throne where Grace Reigneth, there is Grace enough to supply all our Wants. Therefore 1 John. Of his fullness we have all received Grace for race. and because such poor Creatures as I, sensible of much Unworthiness, are very apt to doubt our Entertainment, and fear where no fear is, blessed Jesus calleth us to come boldly.

Sir, when I shall have done my Work where I am, which I believe will be shortly, I could be content to return to Mr. Goodwin 's, if God would like it, and that my Re-union with that Church would not hinder my main Work. They have of their own accord made a Vote to receive me when my Spirit should be free to return, and indeed always have manifested much Love to me; but the Truth is, I am so clogged with Scruples about popular Government, and such like things, that though to Will be present with me, to perform I find not. Mr. Goodwin never renounced his Ordination to take it from the People, and is for Free Communion, and saith, will join in such a Uniting Draught as I hope you will now draw up and prosecute presently, and which I will labor in, God willing, to promote when it cometh here: That which mainly sticketh with me in respect of returning to Mr. Goodwin 's is, that when I shall publish what is in my Heart about the Causes of the Churches Malady in England, I shall reflect upon the Independant Principles exceedingly. Now my fear is, that my Relation to them, will be a Curb to me. I know not what to do, but my Eye is up towards God. I am sure I have reaped Benefit by your Counsel, and hope I have had an Interest in your Prayers, which I still beg, being confident God will hear you. Sir, the Lord preserve your Life and bless your Labors. I hope it will not be long e're I shall hear from you, who am

Your affectionate Friend and Brother in Christ Jesus Tho. Lamb.

From my House in Great St. Bartholomews.

My Wife presents her Love, with many Thanks to you.

To his very worthy Friend, Mr. R. Baxter, Preacher of God's Word at Kidderminster in Worcestershire.

Dear Brother,

IF I understand anything of the Ways of the Love of God, and can perceive by the Effects below, what Souls the Light of his Countenance doth shine upon, you owe much to his Love, and are used by him as he useth the dearest of his own; what a Mercy is his Illumination? and how much greater his quickening Life, that possesseth you with Love to God and Man? O did we but know when we feel one Spark of Love to God and his Servants in our Souls, from what an infinite Love it comes, and to what it tends, and what it signifieth, surely there would be more studying comparatively, for Charity that edifieth, than for the Knowledge that puffeth up. If your Work for God did cost you nothing, it would not be so comfortable to you symptomatically or effectively.

Though I confess it is harder to bear the Censures of Godly Men than of the World, yet the iger the Trial, the fuller will be the Evidence of Sincerity in Submission, and the greater that Grace and Peace that is used to be given in for Encouragement or Reward. And yet I must tell you, that your Trial here is not of the greatest, when your Recovery is like to procure you the Esteem of Ten, if not an Hundred of God's Servants, for one that you are like to lose; and I am glad that you give your Censurers so good a Description: for if they are such as you describe them, I am persuaded many of them will come after you in time. And is it not a great Encouragement to you, that your Brother and Fellow-laborer comes over with you, and so your Hands are strengthened, and half your Opposition taken off and turned into Comfort. For though I never told him of your Letters to me, nor you of his, yet I take it for granted that you know each others Minds and ways; and yet you know that he is satisfied and resolved for Catholic Communion. I pray you go together, and do what you do as one Man, while you have one Mind and Heart. I perceive the Signs of Judgment and Charity also in him. I beseech you also both to hold on your Charity, even to them that are offended with you; so far as Christ appeareth in them, let them have your special Love. The Despondencies you mention are unreasonable: Will you conclude you cannot suffer, before you are called to Suffering? Deny the Baits of fleshly Pleasure, vain Glory and worldly Gain, and live sincerely to God in your Prosperity, and I dare say, you may boldly expect his confirming sustaining Grace if he call you to Adversity. I had almost said, that (with most Men) it requireth greater Grace to overcome the Temptations of Prosperity, and to contemn a flattering World for Christ, than to die for him. At least the one will prove you possessed with his Spirit, and an Heir of Promise, as well as the other: And therefore the Spirit and Promise that enable you now to live to God, would enable you to die for him if he required it. Look you to your present Work, and trust God for Strength for what he calls you to. If my Advice be worth your regard, it's this; 1. That you do as you have done; offer Communion to other Churches, but forbear yet a while to join your self as a Member to any. 2. That if you like the Proposals I shall send, and Mr. Goodwin like them, you both, with him, do signify so much, and I will take some course that they may be the Introduction to a more general Agreement. 3. And that at the time when we publish such Agreement, you and your Fellow-laborer join in publishing your Reasons for Catholic Communion: For, I thank him, he hath communicated his and yours set together, will give much Evidence in the Cause. But I must a little while crave your Patience, before I send my Papers, by reason of a Crowd of pressing Businesses: But the Sweetness of the work will draw me from all willful Delays (Your Brother also I perceive is not yet ready for my Proposals). I rest

Your unworthy Fellow Servant, Rich. Baxter. To Mr. Lamb.

Jan. 22. 1658.

Numb. IV. Letters and Papers between Mr. Baxter, and Mr. Allen.

Dear Brother,

I Bless the Lord for the great Consolation I had in the perusal of your Papers: All the Motions and Operations of Holy Love are lovely. That is the way of God: hat is the way of Love, and that to be much suspected that quencheth it. What is so much predicated through all the Gospel? Above all other ways, what a mellow sweetness doth the way of Love communicate to all the Duties and Conversings of those that are abounding in this Grace? And it is the Manhood and Maturity of Christianity. The Infancy of the Law had less of it than the full Age of the Gospel: And young Christians usually are like young Fruit, austere and unpleasant, whom Age and Holy Experience must mellow by the growth of Love, produced by the Sun-shine of Heavenly Love. I had thought to have presently returned you my Answer to your Reasons about Infant Baptism: but when I had read your other Papers, I could not find in my Heart, least Disputing should in any Measure abate in the Love that God was kindling: Yet shortly, (if I can find the least leisure) I shall give you a few Words to them (if God will) when that which hath a show of contending will be more seasonable. Your Arguments for Communion are very weighty. My next Work to these Ends shall be to persuade some godly Ministers that differ from you, to a more charitable Judgment, and walking towards them of your Opinion; and (if I live so long) to persuade our Parliament Men against excessive Rigour and Bitterness against them. Do you do the like with those of your way. If Love reign in us, it must command our Tongues to plead its Cause, and to endeavor the promoting of it in the World. And when Love shall Reign among the Nations, the Lord shall Reign in a way of Love: And this is the way to those glorious Times that some expect by other Ways. And as the abounding of Iniquity and the cooling of Love are coupled by Christ as Cause and Effect, so will the abounding of Love, and the decay of Iniquity be conjoined. The God of Love carry on this blessed Work in our frozen Souls, and in all the Churches, by keeping us under the Light of his Countenance, and the the Sunshine of his most glorious Love. I remain

Your Brother, Rich. Baxter.

To Mr. William Allen.

Jan. 7. 1658.

The Case of Separation.

Quest. 1. WHether Particular Churches be of Divine Institution?

Answ. Yea; that is Christians associated for Personal Communion in Doctrine, Worship and Discipline, under the same Pastors (one or more) are a Church of Divine Institution. Proved Act. 14. 23. Titus 1. 5. 1 Tim.—Phil. 1. 1, 2. 1 Thes. 5. 16, 17. Heb. 15. 17. 24. and many other Texts.

Quest. 2. Whether the Parish Assemblies are such?

Answ. Parish-Assemblies are not of one sort; some are not such, that is, Parish Assemblies which deny the Essentials of Christianity, and are Heretics, or deny Church Essentials, or that have no Pastors, or such as want some Essentials of the Office, as visible to Man's Judgment.

But Parish Assemblies are true particular Churches, who profess the Essentials of Christianity, and of Churches, and have Pastors who visibly want not anything essential to their Office (though otherwise faulty). 2. Churches are called true, 1. In point of Essence (as aforesaid). 2. In point of Soundness and Integrity (as a sick Man, or a maimed Man, or a Thief, is a true Man in Essence; but not in Soundness, in Integrity and Honesty).

The Parish Churches, as constituted by our Laws, Articles, Ordination and Canons, are true Churches as to Essence; but not without some Wants and Diseases that need a cure.

3. Churches may be called True, 1. In their Constitutions: Or, 2. In their Administration. Ours in England, as afore described, are true in their Constitution: But in the Administration some are excellent, some are laudable, some are tolerable, and perhaps some have Ministers intolerable; as the Parsons differ.

4. The Society called the Church of England hath Pastors of several Minds; most I hope, hold all that is Essential to Christianity, Ministry and Communion: But some late Innovators and Corruptors, seem to deny somewhat Essential to particular Churches and Ministry; but these impeach no Men's Ministry but their own; against these I wrote in my Treaties of Episcopacy.

5. Distinguish between the Office as instituted by Christ, and owned by the Church of England, and the Exercise of the Office, as restrained and hindered by Canons and by Laws, the Parish Ministers and Churches are true Ministers and Churches as described by Ordination, and the Church Doctrine, but many Canons and some Laws dolefully fetter them, and hinder the Exercise of their Office on pretence of governing them; but neither do nor can destroy the Essence of the Office itself: The Ministers have all essential Qualifications and the Consent of the People (though not the first Choice) and the People are professed Christians.

6. A Parish and a Parish-Church are not the same, all are not of the Church that are in the Parish; there are three sorts of the Parish, 1. Communicants, and those are the Church. 2. Meer Hearers and Catechical Persons, and these are Candidates. 3. Aliens, Atheists, Infidels and Papists, Heretics, Men of no Church or other Churches; Parish-Churches as combined parts of a Christian Kingdom, or National Church thus distinguished from Aliens, Auditors, and not only tolerated, but orderly combined, maintained, encouraged, are the most regular Churches agreeable to Scripture, Reason, and Antiquity.

Quest. 3. Suppose the Parish-Churches should be no true Churches, is it destructive to particular Churches to join with the Parish-Assemblies?

Answ. No; who can dream that Families, and Neighbors, and occasional Meetings may not Worship God; or, that such Worship destroys Churches. Did Cor lius 's Meeting, Acts 18. or those Acts 12. 12. or these that Acts 20. prayed at an Oratory, nor the Water destroy the Church? 2. Occasion Communicants are not bound to try the Call of the Ministers where they come, and have no Vote but to take them according to visible Profession and Possession, and if the Ministers should prove uncalled, the Loss would be to themselves, and not to the Faithful that are blameless and have right to the Children's Bread, though a Judas or a Pharisee distribute it.

But the Separatists Object, that pretended Churches which are not true, are worse than occasional Assemblies that pretend it not. Answ. 1. whether they are worse or better, is nothing to this Question of destroying Churches. 2. The liker they are to true Churches, the liker they are to be better than those that are unlike them. 3. The Officiating of a true Minister may make that a true temporary Church, which is not a constant settled Church. 4. It is far liker that many separating Congregations will prove no true lawful Churches, for want of true Ministers, and other Causes; and yet it will not follow that all that join with them destroy true Churches; for some under Government may do it blamelessly; and they that do it sinfully may yet own true Churches, every Sin destroys not other Churches. 5. It is a Duty for Members of a Church to get what good they can by all Christians, whether they be regular Churches or not.

Quest. 4. Suppose the Parish-Assemblies to be particular Churches, are the Corruptions in them so great as that we must separate from them, or would it not be Schism so to do?

Answ. There are many sorts of Separation: It is Schism to call them (no true Churches of Christ) or (such as it is not lawful to hold Communion with) and to separate on that account, and this I have oft proved in Print so fully, that I must not now repeat it.

But there are many Occasions which may warrant and necessitate a mere local Separation, as I have fully proved in many Treatises; as if any Sin be imposed and Communion denied to those that will not Sin, those Men do not separate, but are driven out by Separatists or Tyrants, and must not give over all Church Worship of God because Tyrants forbid it them. Many other Instances of lawful local Separation, I have published, which I cannot find any have confuted, no, nor denied.

Quest. 5. Whether there are not in congregational Churches such things which are not plainly instituted in Scripture?

Answ. Congregational is a sorry Word as here used in distinction from Parish-Churches, Parish-Churches are Congregational, they consist of Pastors and Christian Communicants joined for Personal Communion, and Independents and Separatists much differ, many Independents are against Separation, the old Nonconformists, both Presbyterians and Independents were judged the Parish-Churches that had tolerable Ministers to be true Churches; and Independents greatly differ among themselves; some are sound in the Faith, and some are unfound; some are for Infant Church-Membership and Covenant Grace, and some against it; some are for self-made Covenants and Terms of Church-entrance and Communion, and for the Peoples Power of the Keys, and against Ordination and many other Errors; which others do renounce. And remember it is one thing to be Independents by Agreement, as Neighbor Churches, and another thing to be dependant as Subjects on governing Churches: And it is one thing to be Independant on equal Neighbor Churches; and another thing to be independent on a superior Ministry: The Churches of Rome, Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus, and the rest, were independent on each other, as to Government; but they were dependant on the Apostles and Evangelists ( Paul, Barnabas, Luke, Mark, Silas, Timothy, Titus, and Apollos, &c. ) as to Oversight and dependant on other Churches as Fellow-members of the same Universal Body, as the Members of our Bodies are. 3. I know no Churches to happy as to have nothing that is not particularly (yea, or generally) instituted in Scripture; yea, and that obtruded on the People. O! when will God make them wiser? some Independant Ministers and Churches have Catholic, Charitable, Uniting Principles. But the separating part who are they that have so many and great Defects and Faults as I have in my former Writing enumerated, and need not here again recite, but advise you impartially to review them.

Quest. 6. Whether every Person who doth join with such a Church doth not become as guilty of the Sin of such a Church, as those do that join with the Church of England?

Answ. This Question intimateth that you know not what the Church of England is: It is nothing but a Christian Kingdom, consisting of a Christian supreme Power, and combined Christians and Churches governed by that Power; it is not Liturgies nor Ceremonies that essentiate the Church of England: Orthodox, Godly Presbyterians, and Independents who deny not a Christian Kingdom of Christian Churches (though differing in many thing) are all parts of the true Church of England: But I suppose you mean the Conformists (which are but a part).

2. One is guilty of the Faults of the Conformists by their bare Presence and Communion, who do not consent to those Faults, and if bare Presence signified Consent, we must avoid Communion with all Churches on Earth, for who are Sinless? And all must avoid us; and how shall we avoid ourselves, who sin in all we do?

3. But when People causelessly separate and unchurch other Churches far ounder than their own, and falsely accuse them; yea, and almost all Christ's Churches these Fifteen Hsndred Years, as those now called Separatists usually do, I think your ordinary joining with such, when you may have sounder Communion is a sinful Encouragement of them in their Schism, justly leaveth you under the Imputation of Schism, and requireth great Humiliation and Reformation, being greater than some great private Sins, as public Cases are more important than private; but I am loath to say all that I judge true against the present separating Way, lest I be mistaken, as if I would render them odious, or be against the necessary Toleration of the Week.

I have truly told the World near Forty Years ago, that I am past doubt that neither the Episcopal Presbyterian nor Independant way alone, will well settle the Church: But that each of the three Parties (and those called Erastians ) have somewhat of the Truth in peculiar, and somewhat of Faultiness, and if ever the Church be well settled, it must be by taking the best, and leaving out the worst of every party, and till that can be done, we must bear with what we cannot amend.

Octobo. 9. 1688.

Mr. J —,

BEcause your Friend refuseth Conference, though I promised secrefie, and a loving Debate, I will for your sake answer your Questions myself, which I take to be these Two: I Whether you ought not presently to fix yourself in a particular Church, and not continue any longer occasional Communion with many.

II. What Church you should be a fixed Communicant in.

I. As to the First, I know not well what is meant by fixed Membership by the Author of the Writing which you shown me; you must be a fixed Member of Christ, and the Church Universal, or else you are no fixed Christian: But as to particular Pastors and Congregations, Order, and Concord, and Edification are the general Rules which tell you where to fix and how far.

1. You ought not to commit any real Sin for Communion with any Church.

2. Though you may and must join with faulty Assemblies and Worship; yet you must not justify their Faults, nor profess your Consent to them, nor promise that you will never endeavor any Amendment of them.

3. There must be no Self-obliging unnecessarily: Liberty is not so contemptible a thing that we should cast it away for naught; much less must you bind yourself contrary to God's Providence, or without excepting Alterations by it.

4. Your Church-Membership, as to particular Congregations must have no greater fixedness than your Habitation and other Obligations: You may remove your Congregational Relation when you remove your Dwelling; and none can hinder you from removing both, when your Interest requireth it. Suspect them that would make you their Propriety.

II. As to the Second (where you should fix):

1. You are in your Father's House, under his Government, and must obey him in all lawful things; and must not go against his Consent.

2. You are a Member of a Christian Family; and no Scripture tells us of the Members of one Christian Family being of divers Churches, nor alloweth it.

3. Scripture knoweth no particular Churches, but what were bounded by Neighbourhood and Cohabitation; except Heretics: There were never Churches gathered out of Churches then; nor two approved Churches of the same Language in the same Bounds.

1. I do hereby undertake to prove against any Disputer, that there is no Form so agreeable to God's Word, as this following: 1. A Christian Kingdom consisting of a Christian King (or supreme Power) and particular confederate Churches being the Burgesses, and peaceable Unbelievers that tolerated Aliens or Catechumens. 2. A reformed Episcopacy Successors to the Evangelists, that (without the Sword or Force) had the Care of many Churches. 3. Reformed Parish-Churches, consisting of Godly Pastors, and professed Christian Cohabitants, the incapable being Catechumens; which made the old Nonconformists declare that they were so far from being against Parish-Churches, that their Lives would be a burden to them if they were not restored to them.

The first Church State that Christ himself made, was the Platform of a Christian Kingdom Church, offering to make Judea such, setting Twelve Apostles over the Twelve Tribes, and Seventy two Disciples, the Number of their great Council, and so would have gathered all Jerusalem's Children to himself, as a Hen gathereth her Chickens, Mat. 23. which they refusing he declared that the Kingdom of God should be taken from them, and given to a Nation that would bring forth the fruit thereof; and so they were cut off for their Unbelief, and we graffed in (to the same Olive or political State, the Mosaical Law only changed for Christ's Law): And as all the Prophets foretold this, that Christ's Church should be a Davidical Kingdom; so after Two Hundred Ninety Four Years Trial it was set up, and the Pagan Empire, Babylon, did fall, and Christ reigned by Christian Emperors, and his enemies were made his Footstool, and the Kingdoms of the World became the Kingdoms of the Lord and of his Christ, consisting of Churches confederate for Unity; and the Nations brought in their Glory to it; and the Fulness of the Gentiles came in, and all the Israel of God were saved, Judea becoming the most Christian Nation in the World: And Heaven and Earth rejoiced at the Fall of Babylon, and this new Jerusalem's ini ial S a e: And sure it is such a Kingdom-Church which those expect that talk of the future Thousand Years Reign of Christ. As Teachers are under him as Prophet, and Priests as he is Priest; so are Christian Kings as he is King; and bad Kings are no more Reason against his Institution than bad Teachers and Priests.

2. There are Three Sorts of Pastors or Bishops in Christ's Church:

I. Such as were to gather many Churches (out of Infide s) and to set Elders or fixed Bishops over them, and then oversee both the Elders and People: Such Christ made the Apostles, whose Office was partly extraordinary and temporary, and is so far only ceased, and partly ordinary and continued, and so Christ promised to be with them to the end of the World: And such were Evangelists sent forth with and by the Apostles to gather and oversee many Churches and Pastors: Such were Titus, Timothy, Luke, Mark, Barnabas, Silas, and many more. God never recalled this Order of Ministers, if any say he did, it lieth in them to prove it. This was the first sort of Pastors.

II. The Second Sort were the fixed Elders which these ordained in every Church; who were all Bishops over the Flocks, and so called: but under the general Ministers (who yet had none of them any forcing Power by the Sword) these two God instituted.

III. The Third Sort (between these Two) was a President Pastor in every particular Church, like the President of a College, who had some moderating guiding Power among the rest of the Elders: This was set up to avoid Division among the Elders (every Church having usually many) and received even in some of the Apostles Days, and never rejected for a Thousand Years.

3. Particular Churches in Scripture Times were distinguished by the places of their Neighbourhood, as I said before; and there were never two Churches in the same Bounds, except Heretics, and Men of divers Languages.

From this it is plain, that the most Divine From of Government is 1. A Christian Kingdom. 2. With (Reformed) General Ministers. 3. And (Reformed) Parish-Churches, having fixed Pastors (and where it may be our Chief) &c. Moreover (as to your fixing) the Churches in Question with you, I suppose, are not the Papists, the Quakers, the Familists, &c. But the Episcopal, the Presbyterian, the Independent and the Separatist (if not the Anabaptists also).

I. The Episcopal are of Two Sorts, Conformists and Nonconformists. The Episcopal Conformists are of Two Sorts; some lately sprung up, that follow Archbishop Laud and Dr. Hammond, hold that there are no Political Churches lower than Diocesan, because there are no Bishops under them; and so that the Parish-Churches are no Churches, properly, but part of Churches; nor the Incumbants true Bishops, but Curates under Bishops; nor the Foreigners true Ministers or Churches that have no Diocesan Bishops. This Party called themselves the Church of England, 1658, 1659. When we knew but of Four or Five Bishops left alive (who Dr. Hammond said (with that Party of the Clergy) were of his Mind): And these seemed uppermost in 1660, and 1661. and were the men whom I disputed with in my Treatise of Episcopacy.

The other Episcopal Conformists are they that follow the Reformers, and hold the Doctrine of the Scripture as only sufficient to Salvation, and as explicatory of it, the Thirty Nine Articles, the Homilies, Liturgy, Book of Ordination, Apology, &c. These take the Parish-Pastors for true Rectors, and the Parish-Churches for true Churches, but subordinate to the Diocesans, and to be ruled by them. But the Laws have imposed on them some Declarations and Subscriptions, which they think they may put a good Sense on, though by stretching the Words from their usual Signification. The Bishops and Deans are chosen by the King indeed, and by the Prebends in show. The Incumbant are chosen by Patrons ordained by Diocesans with Presbyters, and accepted by Consent of the Communicants of the Parish. The Episcopal Government is managed partly by the Bishops, and partly by Lay-Civilians and Surrogates.

The Episcopal Nonconformists are for true Parish-Churches and Ministers, reformed, without swearing, promising, declaring, or subscribing to any but sure, clear, necessary things; desiring that the Scripture may be their Canons, disowning all persecuting Canons, taking the capable in each Parish for the Communicant and Church, and the rest for Hearers and Catechized Persons: desiring that the Magistrate be Judge, whom he will maintain, approve, and tolerate, and the Ordainers Judges whom they will ordain, and the People be free Consenters to whose Pastoral Care they will trust their Souls; desiring that every Presbyter be an Overseer of the Flock, and every Church that hath many Elders have one Incumbent President for Unity and Order; and that Godly Diocesans may (without the Sword or Force) have the Oversight of many Ministers and Churches; and all these be confederate and under the Government of a Christian King, but under no Foreign Jurisdiction; though in as much Concord as is possible with all the Christian World: And they would have the Keys of Excommunication and Absolution taken out of the Hands of Lay-Men (Chancellors or Lay Brethren); and the Diocesans to judge in the Synods of the Presbyters, in Cases above Parochial Power.

That this was the Judgment of the Nonconformists that treated for Peace in 1660. and 1661. is to be seen in their printed Proposals, in which they desired Archbishop Usher 's Model of the Primitive Episcopacy joined with the Synods of Presbyters.

II. The Presbyterians are for Parish-Churches as aforesaid, guided by Elders, some teaching, and some only ruling, and these under Synods of the like Class, without Diocesan or Parochial Superiors; and all under a National Assembly of the same, as the Supreme Church Power.

III. The Independents are for every Congregation to have all Church Power in itself, without any superior Church-Government over them, whether Bishops or Synods, yet owning Synods for voluntary Concord.

Of these some are against local Communion with the aforesaid Churches, and for avoiding them by Separation; some as if they were no Churches, and had no true Ministers; some for Forms of Prayer, some for faulty Communicants, some for Episcopal Ordination, and some for subscibing, and some for all these, and many other pretended Reasons.

But some Independents are for occasional Communion with the other Churches, and some also for stated Communion in the Parish-Churches, for which you may read Mr. Tomes 's the chief of the Anabaptists in a full Treatise, and Dr. Thomas Goodwin on the first of the Ephesians, earnest against Separation (as the old Nonconformists were).

Now which of all these should you join with? I affirm, that all these except the Separatists are parts of the Church of England, as it is truly essentiated by a Christian Magistracy, and confederate Christian particular Churches. All are not equally sound and pure, but all are parts of the Church of England: Liturgies, and Ceremonies, and Canons and Chancellors are not essential to it, as a Church, or Christian Kingdom: But it is now a Medly, less concordant than is desirable: but you are not put upon any such Disputes; whether you will call the present Church of England Roman, as denominated from the King that is the Head; or whether you will say that King and Parliament conjunct are that Head, and so it is yet Protestant, because the Laws are so; or whether you will denominate it materially Protestant, because the Clergy and Flocks are so; your Doubt is only, what Congregation to join with.

I answer, That which all your Circumstances set together, make it most convenient to the public good and your own.

Though I hold not Ministerial Conformity lawful, I take Lay-Communion in any of these except the Separatists, to be lawful to some Persons, whose case maketh it fittest: But I judge it unlawful for you to confine your Communion to any one of them; so as to refuse occasional Communion with all save them.

1. The Parish-Churches have the Advantage of Authority, Order and Confederacy, and the Protestant Interest is chiefly cast upon them, therefore I will not separate from Lay-Communion with them, though they need much Reformation.

2. You must not go against your Father's Will, no, nor divide the Family, without necessity: The same I say of your Husband when you are married.

3. The Nonconforming Episcopal and Presbyterians have not such Churches as they desire, but only temporarily keep Meetings like to Chapels, as Assistants to others, till Parishes are reformed.

4. I think it a stated sinful Schism to fix as a Member of such a Church and Pastor as is of the Principles of the Writing which you shown me.

I. Because they grievously slander the Parish-Churches and Ministers as none, and their Worship and Government as far worse than it is.

II. Because they Renounce local Communion with almost all the Body or Church of Christ on Earth, by renouncing it on a Reason common to almost all.

III. Because they separate from such Churches as Christ and his Apostles joined with, and so seem to condemn Christ and his Apostles as Sinners. Christ ordinarily joined with the Jews Church in Synagogues and Temple-Offices; when the High Priest bought the Place of Heathens, and the Priests, Pharisees and Rulers were wicked Persecutors, and the Sadducees Heretics or worse, he sent Judas as an Apostle, when he knew him to be a Thief or a Devil.

The Apostles neither separated nor allowed Separation from such Churches as Corinth, Gallatia, Ephesus, Smyrna, Sardis, Laodicea, &c. defiled with odious Crimes and Errors; though God command them to reform.

IV. Because hereby they tempt Men to infidelity, when they hear that Christ hath no greater a Body and Church than they with which Men may lawfully communicate; and rob him of almost his Kingdom.

V. By false accusing the Prayers of almost all Christ's Church, and renouncing Communion with them, they forfeit their Interest in the Benefit of their Prayers, and of the Communion of Saints.

VI. Who but Satan would have all the People of England and all Nations to live without any public Church-worship, till they can have better than such as is in our Parish-Churches; as if none were better.

VII. With whom would these Men have held Communion if they had lived in any Age till two hundred Years ago? when as far as ever I could find, there was not one Congregation of Christians or Heretics in all the World that was against Forms of Worship, or Bishops, or all Ceremonies; let them name one if they can, what then will they say to the Question, Where was your (new) Church before the two last Ages? Had Christ no Church for One Thousand Two Hundred Years in all the World, that a Christian ought to join with in local Communion? Did Christ disown them all, and yet was he their Head, and they his Body? Or are these Men as much stricter than Christ, as the Pharisees were about his Converse and the Sabbath?

VIII. They condemn themselves by their own Practice, while some of them cry down Communion with imposed Forms of Liturgy; they sing Psalms imposed by the Pastor or Clerk, which are the chief part of imposed Liturgies: They sing them in new Versions, Metre, and Tunes, different from the Apostles Churches (and yet better for us): They use imposed Translations of the Scripture: The Pastor imposeth his Words of Prayer, as a Form which the People •• st all join with: This is but a different Mode of Liturgies.

IX. Charity (or Christian Love) and Unity are the great vital Graces of the Christian Church: And oh, how woefully do these Men violate and destroy it? when, as is said, they renounce Communion for a Thousand or Twelve Hundred Years at least, with all known Churches on Earth, as unlawful in point of local Presence. 2. They bind all Christians that will hear them, to do the like to this Day, to almost all the Churches on Earth. 3. Their Principles and Reasons make it sinful to have Communicated with the Reformers, the Waldenses, Wycliffe, Luther, Melancthon, Zwinglius, Calvin, Bucer, and the rest. 4. And they condemn Communion with the Martyrs, both under Heathens, and of later Times, who made or valued and used Liturgies. 5. They condemn local Communion with all the late and former holy excellent Bishops and Conformists; such as Archbishops Parker, Grindall, Abbot, Usher, &c. Bishops, Hall, Morton, Pilkinton, Downame, Davenant, and many such: All that glorious Tribe of Conformists; Preston, Sibbs, Bolton, Whately, Crook, Io. Downame, Stoughton, &c. Oh, how great a Number and how excellent, almost matchless Men? Almost all the late Westminster Assembly. 6. And all the excellent old Nonconformists that were against Separation; Dearing, Greenham, Perkins, Bayn, Reynolds, Dod, Hieldersham, Bradshaw, Ball, and Multitudes of such of greatest Piety and Parts. 7. All, or near all the Reformed Churches. 8. All the mere Independents that were against their Separation; such as Dr. Tho. Goodwin aforesaid, and many of his Mind. 9. Yea, they condemn the Old Brownists, who Printed their Profession of Communion with many Parish-Churches, and with Liturgies. 10. And they utterly condemn all local Communion with the mere Nonconformists of this Age, who offered Terms of Concord in Liturgy and Episcopacy, 1661. None of all these are good enough for these Men (especially their Women and Lads) to have any present Communion with.

Do they know how little radical Difference there is between saying, as Persecutors, All these are Heretics; and as Separatists, All these are unworthy of Christian Communion: Yea, the Pope rejecteth Communion but with two or three parts of the Christian World, and these Men renounce local Communion with almost all: Is this the way of Love and Unity in the Body of Christ?

X. Is Provoking, Excommunicating them the way to reconcile the Public Ministers and Churches? Or is this a time to join with the Enemies of the Protestant Religion, to draw all the People to forsake them? That so the Reformation here may have only private Toleration as we have, till some Disorder is said to forfeit it? the King promiseth to defend them, and shall separating Protestants pull them down?

XI. The Weakness of these Men's Judgments and Dealings, bring all the Nonconformists into Contempt and Scorn with Multitudes of undistinguishing Men, as if we were all of the same Temper, and hardeneth Thousands in hatred to them all, and maketh them long to be persecuting us again, and keepeth them from repenting of the Evil they have done: Offence must come, but woe to them by whom it cometh.

XII. God hath most expressly decided this Controversy in Scripture, and these Men seeming Adherents to Scripture cannot see it, Rom. 14. and 15. and 16. 17. John. 17. 22, 24. Phil. 2. Eph. 4. In a Word, in all those Texts that plead for, Church Unity and Love; and all those that speak of the sinfulness of Schism, and that a kingdom divided cannot stand; and all those that condemn Dividers, and all that command mutual forbearance, &c. Do you think that [receive one another as Christ received us] even them that are weak in Faith itself] doth mean no more than [do not silence them, or imprison, or murder them: ] No doubt but it meaneth, receive them to Church-Communion.

XIII. What a great Sin is unjust silencing worthy Preachers. And do not these Men endeavor to silence more thousands than the Act of Uniformity, or Bishops did, when they tell all that it's a Sin to hear them.

XIV. If it be unlawful to join with others that are no worse than they, it must be unlawful to join with them: If I be guily of all that is said or done amiss in the Parish-Churches, I shall be more guilty if I join with the Separatists.

I am not desirous to accuse any, but to cover their Faults as far as I can. But I cannot resolve your Question without telling you that I take their Church-State to be so far different from the Rule, and in many Respects worse than the Parish-Churches, as that to join with them as fixed covenanted Members, will be a state of Sin.

1. Scripture-fixed Ministers, or Elders were all ordained by superior general Pastors, either alone, or with Presbyteries: So are not theirs (if by any at all).

2. Scripture-flocks were ruled by their Pastors, Heb. 13. 7, 17, 24. 1 Thes. 5. 13, 14. 1 Pet. 5. 1 Tim. 3, &c. But many of their Flocks are the Rulers of themselves and Pastors.

3. Scripture particular Churches were all distinguished by the Limits of their Habitation or Proximity; so that there was never two Churches in the same City or Bounds, save Heretics, and Men of divers Tongues (at least where one could hold them all) But it's otherwise with the Separatists.

4. No lawful Church in Scripture, was gathered out of a true Gospel-Church: But theirs are.

5. Scripture Churches had fixed known Tests to know qualified Members by; which was consent to the Baptismal Covenant, explained in the Creed, Lord's-Prayer and Commandments: So that all Churches had the same Test and Terms of Qualification, and so had one Profession. But these Men leave this Arbitrary to the Pastor (or People) to try whether Men are converted by uncertain Terms and Words devised by every Minister; so that the Terms are unknown and not agreed on among their Churches, and may be as various as Ministers.

6. Scripture-Churches never divided the Christians of the same Family, some to one Church, and some to another: But these Men do so, to great Confusion.

7. They are not agreed on any Form of Doctrine to be a Test of their Agreement with other Churches with whom they will have Communion: If they say that the Scripture is that Test; I answer, a General Belief that Scripture is the Word of God, is neither sufficient to Salvation, nor to Communion: Many have this, who deny the Essentials of Christianity: And an explicit Understanding and Belief of every Text, no Man hath. Thousands of Texts are not understood by most Christians or Teachers; therefore there must be some Collection of the Essentials in a Creed, or else there can be no certain Notice whether so much of Scripture Truth be explicitly believed as is necessary to Salvation. And if single Pastors require more, it must be only in order to Growth and Edification, and not as a necessary Qualification for Membership, or Communion of Churches.

I have great Cause to know what I say of them. A Parliament once chose Fourteen Ministers to draw up the Fundamentals of Religion, as a Test of such as were to be tolerated in Union: There were Dr. Owen, Mr. Nye, Dr. Thomas Goodwin, Mr. Sydrak Simpson, Dr. Cheynel, and others: Bishop Usher was chosen, and refused; and I was chosen in his stead: Before I came they had drawn up Fourteen or Fifteen Articles all in new Terms of their own, and some neither Essential, nor true: I told them that we were not to make a new Christianity or Creed, but must own that which the Christian Church was known by in all Ages: But I could not be heard, though Mr. Vines and Mr. Mant n joined with me. At last they wrote this for a Fundamental; [That they that allowed themselves or others in any known Sin, cannot be saved.] I told them that though I could not be heard by them, I durst say, that I would make them presently blot it out. They bid me, do it if I could. I said, [The Parliament taketh Independency, Separation, Anabaptistry, and Antinomianism for Sin: And they will say, These Divines pronounce us all Damned if we allow them.]

They said not a Word, but threw away their Fundamental. The rest of them they printed: But the Parliament were glad with silence to pass by all their Works, and take no notice of it, lest it should be a public Reproach that we could not agree on the Fundamentals. And I am glad that I hindered such an Agreement as they would have made, instead of the old Creeds which they would not rest in. And can such Churches be of any known Consistency or Concord? If you join with them, how know you what Religion they are of? Or how know they what other particular Churches are in their Communion? (for I hope they hold a Communion of Churches.) Arians and Socinians say they believe the Scripture: No Man understandeth all the Scripture: The necessary selected Articles they have no known Agreement in: If they say that they own the same Creed that we do, why then do they not use it as the Test of Christian Profession, but instead of it leave every Pastor to make one in Terms that is only his, and no two Churches have the same: To agree in Independency or Separation, is not to agree in Christianity: There are abundance of Books written for very false Doctrines by men called Independents (it's odious to name them.) Are all the Author of their Communion or not? The Assembly could never get them to tell whom they would take to be of their Communion, and whom not.

8. Therefore their Churches are not compaginate nor confederate so as the Members of our Body should be, and as Scripture-Churches were, and as Christ would have had the Jewith National Church to be.

9. They have no Certainty and Concord in their Church-Worship, which they have little more than such Preaching and Praying, which cannot be known for true or false, sound or unsound till the Words are past: And it may justly be expected that Separatists, Antinomians, Anabaptists, Socinians, and all erroneous Men should put their Errors into their Sermons and Prayers, and sinfully father them all on God: And so all God's Worship must be contiually uncertain to the Flocks; and of as many different Strains as the Preachers differ in Parts and Wisdom: And it must be low, and poor, and confused, wherever the Ministers are young, raw, erroneous or ignorant.

They once met at the Savoy, and drew up an Agreement of many Pastors: But in that they differ from many other Churches called Independents, and from the Anabaptists. And they expressly contradict the Scripture, 1. In saying that [ we have no Righteousness but Christ's which is imputed to us] when as Scripture many Hundred times mentioneth also another personal, inherent, or acted Righteousness.

2. They say that [Faith is not imputed for Righteousness]. I think they mean well: But they should rather expound Scripture than flatly deny or contradict what it saith; and after, defame those falsely that would help them more distinctly to understand it. Their People are taught to speak evil of what they understand not, and to represent Men as dangerous or odious, who think not of many wordy Controversies as confusedly and ignorantly as they. Their Churches are too usually constituted of such Novices in Knowledge of both Sexes, as are like a School where the Boys call their Teacher a Deceiver for every word by which he would deliver them from their Errors, and teach them more than they knew before.

10. They lazily gather a few that seem so much better than the rest, as will put them to no great labor in Teaching and Discipline. But if all the rest of the Parishes lie in Ignorance, how little are we beholden to these Separatists for the Cure. When I came to Kidderminster, some, inclined that way, importuned to me to take a few Professors of Zeal for my Flock, and let the rest follow their ignorant Readers. But when I renounced their Counsel, and after my own and my Assistants long Catechizing them, and persuading all the Families, House by House, they saw the Body of Town and Parish in love with serious Religion, they told me they had been undone if I had followed their Counsel: William Allen, who, with Mr. Lamb, were Pastors of an Anabaptist Arminian Church, first separated from the Parish-Churches, and next from the Independents, was turned from Independency much, by seeing (being our Kidderminster Factor) that Parish-Churches may be made as holy as separated ones, and the People not left by lazy Separatists to the Devil: So that this Experience made him and his Companion more against Independency than I am.

11. They abuse the People in indulging them in works that they were never called to, nor are capable of, nor can give any comfortable account of to God; that is, To be the Judges of Persons admitted to Communion, and of Men's Repentance and Fitness for the Sacrament, &c. whenas God hath put this Power, called The Church Keys, into the Pastors and Rulers hands, (the not over-forced Men, but Volunteers). Baptism is the true Churches Entrance, and the Baptizer is the Judge of the Capacity of the Baptized: no more but Consent to particular Church Relation and Duty, is necessary to Membership of Neighbor Christians in particular Churches. And nothing but proved nullifying the Baptismal Covenant by Heresy, or Sin impenitently maintained or contained in, doth forfeit their visible right to Communion. And if the People must judge of all these, they must have their Callings to examine every Person, and they must grow wiser and abler, then many of their Leaders are.

12. Their Churches have among them no probable way of Concord; but they are as a heap of Sand, that upon every Commotion fall in pieces. The Experience of it in Holland broke them to nothing: And it so affected the Sober in New-England, that in 1660. or 1661. Mr. Ash and I were fain to dissuade Mr. Norton and Mr. Broadstreet, whom they sent hither as Commissioners, from inclining to our English Episcopacy (foretelling them what was doing and we have seen) so deeply were they afraid of being received by that Peoples uncurable Separation from their ablest Pastors, whenever any earnest erroneous Teachers would seduce them. Their Building wanteth Cement.

13. God hath so wonderfully by his Providences disowned the way of Schism and Separation (on how good pretences soever) that I should be too like Pharaoh in hardness, if I should despise his warnings. For Instance,

1. In the Apostles days all are condemned that separated from the settled Churches, even when those Churches had many heinous Scandals, and St. Paul saith, That all they in Asia were turned from him. The Authority and Miracles of the Apostles did not serve to keep Men from Separation and raising Schisms.

2. Even when the Church lay under Heathen Persecutors for 294 years, yet Swarms of Condemned Sects arose, to so great a number, as that the naming and confuting them filleth great Volumes, to the great Reproach of the Christian Churches, and Scandal of the Heathens.

3. As soon as Constantine delivered the Churches from the Flames of cruel Persecution, and set up Christians in Power and Wealth, separating Sects grew greater than before, each Party crying up their several Bishops and Teachers, and grew worse by Divisions, till thereby they tempted the Papal Clergy to unite Men carnally by force.

4. At Luther 's Reformation Swarms of Separatists arose in Germany, Holland, Poland, &c. to the great dishonor of the Protestant Cause.

5. Here in England it hath been ill in Queen Elizabeth's time, by the Familists and Separatists; and far worse since: It was such as Quarterman and Lilburn, and other Separatists that drew Tumults and Crowds down to Westminster, to draw the Parliament to go beyond their own Judgment, and thereby divided the Parliament-men, and drove away the King, which was the beginning of our odious War. It was the Separating Party that all over the Land set up Anti-Churches in the Towns that had able godly Ministers, when they had nothing imposed on them to excuse it, neither Bishops, Liturgies, nor Ceremonies. So that Churches became like Cockpits, or Fencing-Schools, to draw asunder the Body of Christ. It was the Separating Party that got under Cromwell into the Army, and became the common Scorners of a godly able Ministry, by the Names of the Priest-byters, the Driviners, the Westminster-sinners, the Dissembly-men, as Malignant Drunkards did, and worse. It was these that thought Success had made them Rulers of the Land, that caused the disbanding of all the Soldiers that disliked their Spirit and Way, and then pulled down, first eleven, and then the major part of the Parliament, imprisoning and turning out Men of eminent Piety and Worth, and making a Parliament of the minor part, and their killing the King, and afterward with scorn turning out that minor part that had done their work, and to whom they had oft professed themselves Servants: It was these Men that set up a Usurper; that made a thing called a Parliament, all of his and his Armies nomination. If this should ever be imitated, whom may we thank. It was these Men that set up the Military Government of Major-Generals: It was they that set up and pulled down so many feigned Supreme Powers in a few years, as made themselves the Scorn of the World, and by a dreadful warning of Divine Justice, all their victorious Army and Power dropt in pieces like Sand, as they would have used the Church, and was dissolved without one Battle or drop of Blood, save the after-Blood of their Leaders that were hanged, drawn, and quartered by Parliament Sentence. It is these Men and these doings that have hardened thousands against Reformation, and turned all that was done for it (O what did it cost, and what raised hopes had many of the Success) into Reproach, quieted the Consciences of those that have thought they served God by silencing, hating and persecuting those that they thought had been of this guilty Sect. In a word, the spirit and way of causeless Separation, whether by violent Prelatists Pursuits and Excommunications, or by self-conceited Sectaries, was never owned or blest by God.

If any say (truly or falsely) You have had a hand in some such thing yourself.

I answer, If I had I will hate it, and write against it so much the more.

To thrust ones self into a way so disowned by God, by such a course of fearful warnings, is to run with Pharaoh into the Red-Sea; especially when Impenitence so fixeth the guilt on them that cannot endure to hear of it, as may make us fear that the worst 〈◊〉 behind, and Sin and Judgments yet continue.

The Sum of what is said to you on the other side, is that the Church of England and the Parish Churches have no true Ministry, and therefore are no true Churches: That they confess there is no Church without a Bishop, and no Bishop below the Diocesan, and so no Church below the Diocesan Church: That those are no Scripture Bishops and Churches; and Men cannot be Pastors against their wills, and the will of their Diocesans. That I contradict my Treatise of Episcopacy in denying this: With more like this.

To which I say, I. If the Parish Congregation were but part of a Church, you might join with it as a part, as well as with part of an Independent Church. And they that can hear a Lay-man with the Separatists, might hear the Ministers there

II. Whether I contradict myself, or not, is nothing to your Cause and Conscience. I undertook not, when I wrote, that none should willfully or ignorantly misunderstand me: The formal Notion of a National Church is nothing but a Christian Kingdom: The Matter is Christian Rulers and Subjects, and as ordered Confederate particular Churches: England hath been such for many Ages. Here from the Reformation they owned the Sovereign Power as the Head of the Political National Church, as Christ is of the Universal, (under him). They owned Parish-Churches under Diocesans, and true Ministers therein: Their Books show their Judgment, their Articles, Apology, Homilies, Liturgy, Ordination, Canons, &c. These Books are still owned by the Church: But at last a new sort of Bishops rose up that would have made the Parish Churches to be no proper Churches, but like Chapels under the Diocesan: These called themselves the Church of England, when there were but about four or five Bishops left alive, who Dr. Hammond said were of his mind. Some such domineered afterward, and would have set up that way, but never prevailed either to retract the Churches Books and Laws, nor to get the major part of the Clergy to own them. Now all the vain question here is, Which of these two Parties shall be called The Church of England? Neither of them alone: They are two disagreeing parts of it: I argued against the last, professing not to do it against the first; which your Counselor would take no notice of. And what's all this to you? If you will not be of the National or Diocesan Church, you may be of a Parish Church.

III. I proved that if all the Bishops and Parliament had said, The Parish Ministers are no true Pastors, this would not have made them none, (though they might be guilty of deposing them as far as they could:) no more than it would make the Nonconforming Ministers and Churches to be none: Because we all take the Office as instituted by Christ, and Men to be but investing Servants to him, having no power to alter it: And as in the Marriage the Husband shall have power over the Wife though he that marry them say Nay; so shall an ordained Elder be a true Pastor though the Ordainer say Nay.

IV. I proved that the old Church Books and Doctrine are in force still by Law, and the Kingdom and Church are sworn or bound, not to endeavor any alteration in the Government of the Church: Therefore not to put down the Parish Ministry and Churches. Therefore this is the Sence of the Church of England, though not of the new Faction that usurped that Name.

V. Though a Man cannot be a Pastor against his will, yet he may be one without his knowledge, if by Error he think he is none. For he may consent to all the Office, while he thinks it is not all, and denieth the Name. If a Man think that a Deacon may do all essential to a Pastor, and so that he is but a Deacon, he is nevertheless a Pastor if he consented to the Work. Many thousands are Christians that think they are not, and do truly consent to Christianity, while they think they do not. And why may it not be so also to the Ministry?

VI. But our Case needeth none of these Reasons. For where there is all that is essential to true Pastors and Churches, there are true Pastors and Churches: But by God's great mercy, in many thousand Parishes in England, there is all that is essential to true Pastors and Churches: Therefore they are such. When you will call me to dispute it with any Denier, I will fully prove to you, (That there is great need of Reformation).

1. That the Church of England, as it is a Christian Kingdom, containing Confederate Churches under a Christian King and Laws, is that very Form that Christ offered to settle in Judea, and did settle by Constantine.

2. That if the Diocesans be good Men, and lawfully chosen, as they are mere Successors of Timothy and Titus, and others that had the oversight of many Churches and Pastors (by the Word) they are righter than the Opposers.

3. That the Incumbents of the Parish-Churches have a valid Ordination by such Bishops and Presbyters, righter than the Dividers.

4. That many thousands of such Pastors are Men of competent Abilities: and many of greater Ministerial Abilities than most of us Nonconformists: yea, that no known Nation under Heaven hath, in so small a compass, so many able Ministers as England. And that to deny it and separate, is great ingratitude towards God.

5. That Parish Bounds are a laudable Distribution of Churches; the capable Members being Communicants, and the rest Catechumens.

6. That the ordinary Communicants in multitudes of Parishes, are Membrs that have all that is essential to Church-Membership.

7. That the Pastors have power from God for all their Work, and Men's denial (even the Ordainers) nullifieth not that Power, when they are in general ordained Presbyters.

8. That by the Law of the Land they have all Power essential to Pastors: They may keep from Communion all that are not Confirmed, and there have owned their Baptismal Covenant, or are ready and desirous so to do, and therefore may try their readiness: This is required by the Liturgy: And they may deny the Sacrament to all that live in scandalous Sin: And they must prosecute such to the Bishops Courts. The Law calleth them Rectors (Rulers), and they own themselves for such: And even the Canons (that are their worst restraints) do own the same; and so do the rest of the Church-Books and Laws, that they all subscribe to, and promise not to alter: Ask them whether they take not themselves for true Pastors, if you would know whether they consent to be such.

9. Though some late Innovators, that called themselves The Church of England, would, as far as they could, have nullified in some part the Parish Ministry and Churches, and the Canons themselves do sinfully limit the Exercise of their Power, (the Cause of our Calamities), yet this nullifieth not the Office and Churches; the Essential Power being settled both by God's Laws and the Churches; and the restraint of Exercise nulleth not the Power.

10. That to Exclude any from Communion that are Baptized and at Age, have owned their Christianity, and are not proved by sufficient witnesses to have nullified that Profession by Apostasy, Heresy, or a wicked or scandalous Life, is Church Tyranny and Injustice; of which all are guilty that do it or desire it.

11. That if this Discipline be neglected by the Ministers sinful Sloth, or by the sinful Omission of the People, that will not (first privately, and then before witness, and then to the Church or Pastor) admonish the Offenders, this is the Sin of Pastors and People, but nullifieth not the Church or Office.

12. Through God's great Mercy the Doctrine professed by the Church of England, and usually preached in many thousand Parish Churches, is sound, and as well preached as in any other known Kingdom on Earth (though Ministers have had their Sins which we still smart for and by).

13. There is nothing in the Liturgy-worship which the Laity in the Congregation are ordinarily to perform or join in, which they may not lawfully do or join in, or be present at: (most that needeth Reformation being in Rubrics and By-Offices, Baptizing, Confirmation, Excommunications, Absolutions, Burials, and in the Ministers part).

14. The Ministers have all the three parts that can be accounted by any party necessary to an outward Call. 1. They have the Magistrates Consent (by his Law) who is Judge whom he will maintain and tolerate. 2. They have the Ordainers Consent and Mission (Bishops and Presbyters) who are Judges whom to Ordain. 3. They have the Communicants Consent expressed in their constant Attendance and Communicating; who are the discerning Judges to whom to commit the Pastoral Care and Conduct of their own Souls: And though more be desirable, no more is of necessity.

15. The Confederate Parish-Churches of England that have able godly Pastors, want nothing, which CHRIST or his APOSTLES, or the UNIVERSAL CHURCH of Christ for Six hundred years (yea or to this day) did ever make or judge necessary to the being of Ministers or Church. Nor have the said Churches any Error or Sin in Doctrine, Worship or Government, which either Christ or his Apostles, or the Universal Church, for Six hundred years after Christ, did judge inconsistent with the being of a valid Minister, and true visible Churches.

The large proof of these Fifteen Propositions I offer, though too long now to perform; which though they will not justify such Ministerial Conformity as I have been urged to, yet you may easily see by them, 1. What Church-Frame is most agreeable to Scripture. 2. And what to judge of the false Accusers of the Church. 3. How far Separation is sinful Division, and contrary to Christian Love and Union.

I know the Dividers say, 1. That I am turned Conformist. 2. And why do I not Conform, if I think so well of the Parish Churches and Liturgy. And 3. Why have I lost above Twenty thousand pounds in Five and twenty years, by refusing a Bishopric and other Preferments.

To whom I answer; If our printed Proposals, Disputes, and Petitions for Peace in 1661. and my first, second, and third Plea for Peace, and many more such Writings, and my Cure of Church Divisions, and my Book for the true and only way of Church Concord, and my Confutation of many that made me a Separatist while I Communicated in my Parish Church, and never gathered a Church merely because I forsook not my Ministry, but gratis preached a Lecture, and my Book against Sacrilegious Desertion of the Ministry; I say, if all these Books will not silence these ignorant Objectors, nor restrain them from speaking evil of that which they understand not, I owe them no more, nor can hope to cure their quarrelsome Ignorance, should I say or write never so much more. They have contemned so many excellent Rulers, and Pastors, single and Assemblies, far wiser than I, and so censoriously condemn almost all the Body or Church of Christ on Earth, that I am not so vain as to expect to escape their Censure. Even in New-England, not only Mr. Wilson, Mr. Norton, and such other single Independent Ministers, lived and died in lamented Separation, and warning the Land against it as their danger, but their Synods have been at much trouble thereby, and left their Healing Determinations and Testimony against that Dividing Spirit and Way.

They that would see more, may read a small Book of Mr. Philip Nye for Hearing the Parish Preachers; and a bigger Book of Mr. John Tombes (the greatest and most learned Writer against Infant-Baptism) vindicating the Lawfulness and Duty of joining in ordinary Communion in Word, Prayer, and Sacrament with the Parish-Churches.

Dr. Thomas Goodwin on Ephes. 1. Serm. 36. pag. 488. explaining some Words in the foregoing Sermon.

IT was understood as if I said, That all Parish Churches and Ministers generally were Churches and Ministers of Christ, such as with whom Communion might be held. I said not so: I was wary in my Expressions. I will only say this to you about it. There is no Man that desireth Reformation in this Kingdom (as the generality of all godly People do) but will acknowledge and say, That multitudes of Parishes, where Ignorance and Profaneness overwhelmeth the Generality, Scandalousness and Simony the Ministers themselves, that these are not Churches and Ministers fit to be held Communion with. Only this; The Ordinances that have been administered by them (so far we must acknowledge them, that they) are not to be recalled or repeated again.

But here lieth the Question, my Brethren, and my meaning: Whereas now in some Parishes in this Kingdom, there are many godly Men that do constantly give themselves up to the Worship of God in public, and meet together in one place to that end, in a constant way, under a godly Minister, whom they themselves have chosen to cleave to, (though they did not choose him at first) These, notwithstanding their mixture and want of Discipline, I never thought for my part, but that they were true Churches of Christ, and Sister-Churches, and so ought to be acknowledged: And the contrary was the Error that I spake against.

Secondly, For holding Communion with them, I say, as Sister-Churches, occasionally as Strangers, Men might hold Communion with them: And it is acknowledged by all Divines, that there is not that Obligation lying upon a Stranger, that is not a Member of a Sister-Church, to find fault in that Church, or in a Member of it, as doth on the Church itself, to which one belongeth.

I will give you my Reasons that moved me to speak so much. It was not simply to vent my own Judgment, or simply to clear myself from that Error: but the Reasons, or rather the Motives and Considerations that stirred me in it, were these.

First, If we should not acknowledge these Churches, thus stated, to be true Churches of Christ, and their Ministers true Ministers, and their Order such; and hold Communion with them too, in the Sence spoken of, we must acknowledge No Church in all the Reformed Churches; None of all the Churches in Scotland, nor in Holland, nor in Germany; for they are All as full of mixture as ours: And to deny that to our own Churches, which we do not to the Churches abroad, nothing can be more absurd: And it will be very hard to think that there hath been no Church since the Reformation.

Secondly, I know nothing tendeth more to the peaceable Reformation among us, than to break down This Partition-Wall: for there is nothing provokes more than this doth, to deny such Churches to be true Churches of Christ. For do but think with yourselves, and I will give you a familiar Example: You come to a Man whom you think to be a godly Man; you tell him, He hath these and these Sins in him, and they are great ones: It is as much as he can hear, though you tell him he is a Saint, and acknowledge him so: but if you come to him, and say, besides this, You are a Limb of the Devil, and you have no Grace in you, this provoketh all in a Man, when there is any Ground in himself to think so, or in another to judge him so; so it is here: Come to Church and say, You have these Defects among you, and these things to be reformed: But if you will come and say, Your Churches and your Ministers are Antichristian and come from Babylon, there is nothing provoketh more. Therefore if there be a Truth in it (as I believe there is) Men should be Zealous to express it: For this is the great Partition Wall that hindereth of twain making one.

Then again, This is that which I consider, and it is a great Consideration also. I know that Jesus Christ hath given his People Light in Matters of this Nature by degrees. Thousands of good Souls that have been bred up and born in our Assemblies, and enjoy the Ordinances of God, and have done it comfortably, cannot suddenly take in other Principles: You must wait on Christ to do it.

In this Case Men are not to be wrought off by Falshoods, God hath no need of them; no, rather till Men do take in Light, you should give them all that is comfortable, in the Condition they are in; we should acknowledge every good thing in every Man, in every Church, in everything; and that is a way to work upon Men and to prevail with them, as it is Philem. v. 6. That the Communication of thy Faith may become effectual acknowledgment of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus. It is that which buildeth Men up, by acknowledgment of every good thing that is in them.

Lastly, The last Inconvenience is this, It doth deprive Men of all those Gifts that are found amongst our Ministers, and in this Kingdom, that they cannot hold any Communion or fellowship with them.

So that I profess myself as Zealous in this Point, as in any other I know. And for my part, this I say, and I say it with much Integrity: I never yet took up Religion by Parties in the Lump. I have found by trial of things that there is some truth on all Sides: I have found Holiness where you would little think it, and so likewise Truth. And I have learned this Principle, which I hope I shall never lay down till I am swallowed up of Imortality, and that is, that which I said before, To acknowledge every good thing, and hold Communion with it, in Men, in Churches, or Whatsoever else. I learn this from Paul, I learn this from Jesus Christ himself: He filleth All in All: He is in the Hearts of his People, and filleth them in his Ordinances to this Day: And where Jesus Christ filleth, why should we deny an Acknowledgment, and a right Hand of Fellowship and Communion?

My Brethren, this Rule that I have now mentioned (which I profess I have lived by, and shall do while I live) I know I shall never please Men in it: Why? It is plain; for this is the Nature and Condition of all Mankind, if a Man dissents from others in one thing, he loseth himself in all the rest: And therefore it a Man do take what is good of all sides; he is apt to lose them all: But he pleaseth Christ by it, and so I will for this particular.

Thus far Dr. T. Goodwin prefaced and commended by Thankful Owen, and James Barron, worthy and peaceable Men, deceased.

The Transcriber craveth judicious Resolutions of these two Questions:

1. Whether it be lawful to be a fixed Member of a grossly Schismatical Church, that is guilty of such separating from slandering almost all others, as is here reproved, when Communion with better may be had?

Quest. 2. How far others are bound to reprove and Testify against such dividing Principles, Ministers and Churches, especially after and under doleful Experience of their sinful calamitous Effects?

Dear Brother,

I Have felt that in my own Soul, and seen that upon my Brethren for these two or three Years last past, which persuadeth me that God is about the healing of our Wounds, having communicated more healing Principles and Affections, and poured out more of the Spirit of Catholic Love and Peace than I have perceived heretofore. Love is arisen and shineth upon the Children of the Day, and your congealed Stiffness begins to vanish, and a Christian Tenderness to succeed. The Prince of Peace erects his Banner, and the Sons of Peace flock in apace. It is a shame to be the last, but a misery to be none. God will bring his divided, distracted Servants nearer together; and it is Pity he should be put to bear down any resisting Saints among the Instruments of Satan, and that any of their Carcasses should be found on the Ground when he conquereth the Enemies of Peace. The Lord is about revealing to his Servants the Error of their Consoriousness, Harshness, Uncharitableness, and Divisions, and how grievously they have wronged him and themselves by departing so far from Christian Love and Unity. He will let them see how much of the Cause was secret and undiscerned; Pride and Self-conceitedness and want of Holy Christian Love, while little was pretended or discerned but Strictness and Obedience. He will show them more fully wherein the true Nature of Grace and Holy Obedience doth consist, and teach them by the Impress of his Spirit, what he so emphatically commanded them by his Word, to go learn what that meaneth, I will have Mercy, and not Sacrifice: It's pity we should not understand the meaning of Words so plain; but it's Sin and Shame as well as Pity that we have studied them no better, after such a Memorandum and Command as this. But many of God's Servants have in the Points of Unity and Peace been like those miserable Souls, that are described to have Eyes and see not, Ears and hear not, Hearts and understand not, (these blessed Precepts of Love and Unity, though none more plain, and frequent, and urgent) for the time was not come that they should be recovered and healed; though this Defection be not in the Essence of Christianity, but the Degrees; nor for Perpetuity, but a Time; yet it's sad that such a Spirit of deadness should so far prevail, that Men inquisitive after Truth, and zealous of Holiness, should least understand the plainest, nearest, frequent Precepts, and so little feel their Obligations to such weighty Duties, that the Lord is pleased to stir upon their Spirit among others, is a great rejoicing to me. And I hope I may tell you, that it is in vain, as I am sure I may tell you it is no small Sin anymore to resist and strive against him. If the Hand of our dear and tender Lord be setting you in joint again, shrink not on account of present pain, (much less should you fear the Reproach of being in Communion with the Body) but impartially hearken unto him and yield; but lay by all Tumults of Spirits and Passions, and get out of the Noise of vulgar Clamours; for the Voice of Peace is a still Voice, and in Calmness must be attended unto: And when you are restored, if you find not the Sweetness and Advantages of Peace (if you are indeed restored in Mind as well as Practice) the Lord hath not spoken in this by me. I can hardly think that he that hath raised these Thoughts within you, and begun these Convictions, will let them die. In order to the Ends desired and hoped for, I shall offer you so much of my present Thoughts, as your described Case requires. And 1. though I desire not to dispute the Case of Infant Baptism with you now, yet I may say, we believe you live in a constant Sin against the Lord, in neglecting, denying and opposing it, and that if you will by one erroneous Supposition draw on a Chain of hurtful Consequences, you are the Cause of your own Disorders. At a fitter Season I should desire you but to answer me this one Argument: All that should be sacramentally or solemnly enticed into the Holy Covenant with God, as his People, should be Baptized (or at least be taken as true Members of the Church, and their Entrance just) but the Infants of believing Parents should be sacramentally and solemnly entered into Covenant with God or his People; Ergo, &c. The Minor we give you the abundant Proof of Law and Promise for, before Christ. It was Abraham 's Duty and Privilege according to the Tenour of the Promise which was made with him before the Law, to enter his Children sacramentally and solemnly into the holy Covenant. It was all the Churches Duty after both Jews and Proselytes; both the uncircumcised Females, and the circumcised Males, and all the uncircumcised Church in the Wilderness, Deut. 29, &c. Tell me now how I should answer it before the Lord, if I tell Parents that they are absolved from this Duty of solemn entering their Children into the Covenant, and are divested of the blessed Privilege; especially when you here tell me well, that you know of none but his Body that Christ is the Savior of, and that the Church is this Body; Ergo, you know of no Salvation for Infants if they be not of the Church; Ergo, Exclussion would be a heavy Case, shall I say that Christ hath recalled this Law and Grant? but how should I prove it? I show you the Law and Grant; do you show me the Repeal, and we have done. Christ never speaks a word to repeal it, nor any of his Apostles. Entring our Children into the holy Covenant, is not a Ceremony. If God say to a Father, why didst thou not dedicate this Child to me, and solemnly enter him into Covenant with me? what can he say? The Precept. Promise and long Practice were plain; was the Repeal also plain? Yes; if it be a Repeal for Christ to take such Children into his Arms, and bless them, and tell us of such is his Kingdom, and to be offended with those that would have kept them from him; and to command that all Disciples be Baptized. He knew well enough when he instituted Baptism, and exercised it first upon the adult, that the Jews did so too with their Proselytes: And Ergo, when he did in that no more than they did that yet admitted the Infants of Church-Members, his baptizing the Adult could no more signify his Denial of Infants to be baptized, than the Jews baptizing the Adult could signify it, who at that time baptized Infants also: nor could the Disciples interpret Christ's Doctrine and Will to be contrary to the Jews, when his Practice was no more than theirs: And when he never uttered a Syllable to intimate a Repeal of that great Mercy and Duty of entering Infants solemnly into the Covenant which by God's Appointment had continued so long. And the Covenant was, I will be thy God, and thou shalt be my People. But all this falls in besides my first intent, and therefore I rather expect your Pardon than your regard of it at the present; though time may show you Light in that which now seems Darkness.

2. But if our Infant Baptism were irregular, how will you prove it a Nullity? never by any sound Argument; every Irregularity is not a Nullity. Whether you take the Word as signifying Faedus Sacramentale, a Sacramental Covenant (as Scripture commonly doth, more notably intending the Covenant than the outward Act) or Sacramentum Faederale a Federal Sacrament or Action, (most notably signifying the Sign or Act) it's all one to our purpose, for Infants are capable of both the Covenant, and the outward Sign, and of all that is essential to Baptism. That they are capable of being entered into Covenant, 1. Nature tells us, we commonly enter them under Princes as their Subjects, and into private Contracts with Landlords for Possessions. 2. The ancient Law, Promise and Practice of the Church before Christ tells us, for then it was actually done by God's Command. And that they are capable of the outward Sign is undeniable. Prove it a Nullity if you can, though it were a Sin.

3. But if both were granted, the Sin and Nullity, I come now to give you my Reasons why it warrants you not to deny Communion with the Churches that were thus Baptized in Infancy. And 1. I beseech you note that Baptism is as necessary, if not much more, to the Admission of Men into the universal visible Church as such. or into a particular Church: Ergo, If Men may be admitted into the universal visible Church without adult Baptism, then he may be admitted into a particular Church without it: But yet here grant that he may be a Member of the universal Church without it: Ergo, Baptism is indeed appointed to be our regular entrance by way of Sacramental Covenant and Investiture into the Church Universal, and not into a particular Church necessarily, though it may be into both, yet it is but indirectly into the particular Church. The Eunuch, and all that were baptized first in any place by the Apostles, were baptized only into the Church universal, and afterward settled in Order under Pastors in particular Churches. Baptism, as such, as it was called our Christening, doth only list Men under Christ as Christians, and if it do anymore as to the thing in Question, it is accidentally, and not always, nor necessarily: We are not (directly sure) baptized to our Pastors, and so not to that Particular Church, nothing then is more plain in Scripture than that Baptism was appointed for our Entrance upon our State of Disciples in general: And Ergo, if a Man may be a visible Disciple without it, where it seemeth most necessary, then much more may he be admitted into a particular Church afterward without it, when at least it is no more necessary, and indeed much less, and not at all, save only as universal Church-Member, this is pre-requisite to particular. The Ministers of Christ Baptized 2000 without asking the Consent of any particular Church. 2. They that are under both a Precept making the use of instituted Ordinances their Duty, and a Promise of Acceptance in the Performance, must perform these Duties with belief of their Acceptance: But such are these that you account unbaptized: Ergo, That they are under a Command is plain. All the Precepts for Christian Communion, and not forsaking the assembling of ourselves and obeying those that rule over us, &c. are made to the whole visible Church, that hath Opportunity for such Communion, you will not think that our Sin (as you take it) can except us from an Obligation to Duty. But all the Question is, whether such Duty will be accepted if performed by the unbaptized (as you now suppose them) and this you grant, professing yourself that you are out of doubt that we are very well accepted of God, and you think that it is accounted for Baptism to us. And if you yield both that we are bound to the Duty, and shall have Acceptance in particular Church Communion, what is it then besides the regularity that you deny? Do you not grant the Cause in Hand? And we have many Promises of Acceptance of Believers in their sincere Endeavors, and all things are pure to the Pure. And if involuntary unavoidable Mistakes shall hinder our Acceptance when we are sincere, then we can never be sure that we are accepted. 3. It is but visibility that is requisite in a Church or Member to make them capable of our Communion. If it be a Communion of Christians as Christians, or Saints as Saints that particular Churches are to hold withal, that consent and are Members of their Churches, then Christianity or visible Sanctity in such Consenters is all that is of Necessity to such Communion: But the Antecedent is plain: As it is as Christians that we must inwardly love one another, so it is as Christians, that we must manifest that Love in holy Communion. Communion is the Demonstration of Love; and all Men must know us to be Christ's Disciples by our loving one another; and therefore if any Man be but a visible Christian, it's plain that he's capable of your Communion (if he cohabits and consent) else it were not formalitur a Communion of Saints or Christians, but of something else: Now you confess that Men are visible Christians that are (to you) unbaptized.

4. There is no such thing as a universal visible Church that is not to use Eucharistical Communion, nor any parts of it that have opportunity. Your similitude of Corporations in a Republic holds in some things, but hath this dissimilitude, that all Christ's Republic should consist of such Corporations, except a Person that is a Merchant Traveler, Embassador, or by some extraordinary Necessity is denied Opportunity: which Rarities are not here of Consideration. And whereas in Republics, it may be as commodious for rural Villages to be not incorporate, as for Cities to be incorporate, and their Privileges in their Nation may be as great, and they are not obliged to incorporate, none of this is so in our Case: But every visible Christian (not hindered by Necessity) is bound to incorporate, and charged not to forsake the Assemblies; but all to join and speak the same things and Glorify God with one Mouth, &c. And he that is not a visible Christian, hath no visible Right to our Christian Communion: And he that is a visible Christian and depriveth himself of this Communion sinneth, and wrongeth his own Soul, and as it were, out-laws himself, and is not as you suppose in your Comparison of the not-incorporate: But though in some Cases such may be saved, as deny instituted Communion and Worship, or neglect it, yet they do so far put themselves into the State of those without.

5. Your Opinion sets up a new kind of Church, or Christian Assemblies and Communion of such as may only hear and Pray, and not have Eucharistical Communion and be under Church-Guidance: Shew us any such in Scripture if you can.

6. Heathens or Infidels are called to a natural Worship of God: Ergo, visible Christians are called to more.

7. Faith itself hath its Office formally by Institution, though its aptitude thereto be in the Nature of the thing. And if the Gospel itself be supernatural, and our Christianity and Faith an instituted thing, as well as Sacrament and Governors, and so the universal visible Church an Institution as well as a particular, then certainly want of Baptism will no more keep a visible Christian out of the particular instituted Church, than out of the universal; because as to the Point of Institution there is no such Reason as can make a Difference.

8. The great and excellent part of Church Communion is that which you call natural Worship as performed by Believers, in the loving God in Christ and admiring and magnifying his Love, in the Riches of the Grace of Redemption, and seeking with all Saints to comprehend it, hearing his Counsels and Commands, praying for his Grace and Glory, and praising and magnifying him in Faith, and Hope, and Love, with our Eye upon the second Coming of our Lord. And that which you call Instituted Order and Worship, is but the means to this, and without this but a Shell: It is subservient to it. And therefore

1. They that are capable of the greater, are capable of the less. Heathens are bound to mere natural Worship, and their Hearing and Praying is another thing, and Obligation and Capacity differ.

2. They that must do the work, must do it in God's way, and by his means. The great internal Worship is as the Soul, and the external as the Body, which are to be distinguished, but not separated. Must one sort of Christians have the Soul of holy Communion without the Body, and carry the Knife naked, while you deny them the Sheath?

9. If a Member of the Universal visible Church, as such, is pro tempore to be admitted to Communion in all Ordinances with any particular Church where they come, then these that you acknowledge such visible Members, must by you be so admitted, and so are capable of Communion in instituted Ordinances, but the Antecedent is true beyond Dispute. None of the Apostles were Members of particular Churches, but were as Itinerants to do their work in many Countries: so was it with abundance of Itinerant Preachers of those times called their Companions and Fellow Laborers and Helpers: as Barnabas, Luke, Mark, Silus, Timothy, Titus, Epaphroditus, Apollos, &c. When Paul came to Troas, Acts 20. he and all his Company are admitted among the Disciples in breaking Bread, and that not as Members of any particular Church, but as Christians. Some Christians are lawfully excused, and necessarily deprived of stated Church-Membership in a particular Church (as Princes Ambassadors, that may spend their Lives in motion and action in several places, &c. ) And shall all these Christians be deprived of actual Communion, Sacraments, &c. in the Places where they come, because they are uncapable of any fixed station. Yea, when perhaps it may be the Work or Cause of God that is the Cause of their unsettledness.

10. Dare you undertake to exempt all, but those that you judge Baptized, from the frequent Precepts of knowing those that are over them in the Lord, and submitting themselves, and esteeming them highly in love for their work sake, and being at peace among themselves, 1 Thess. 5. 12, 13. and from giving double honor to the Elders, 1 Tim. 5. 17. and obeying those that rule over them, &c. Hebr. 13. 7, 17. All Christians that have opportunity are bound to submit to and obey their Guides and Pastors, and that cannot be statedly, but in a particular Church. And then if you look to the beneficial part, it's plain, that when Christ ascended up on high, and gave gifts to men, it was for the perfecting of the Saints, and the work of the Ministry, and edifying of the Body of Christ, even that Pastors and Teachers were given, till we all come in the unity of the faith, and the knowledge of the Son of God to a perfect Man, Ephes. 4. 9, 11, 12, 13. And will you exclude twenty, if not five hundred parts of the Church from this (all this) benefit of Pastors and Teachers, when Christ provided them for all? Consider what you do?

11. The Unity of the Catholic Body, and their commanded correspondency requireth a Fellowship with all the Parts according to opportunity. From Christ the whole Body fitly joined together (or jointed, which is by Officers, Order, and Love) and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, (when you exclude a hundred, or many hundred parts from their Communion) maketh increase of the Body to the edifying of itself in love, (not only secret, unknown love, but love appearing in Communion) Ephes. 4. 16.

12. Excommunication out of particular Church-Communion, in instituted Ordinances, is a grievous Censure, and never inflicted on the holy Servants of Christ, that never willfully resist or reject his Truth or Precepts. No nor on Offenders, but for impenitency, or grievous Crimes. Durst you Excommunicate me out of your Church, if I were in it, and professing my owning of Baptism, and my hearty longing to know and obey the will of Christ. There is many an honest humble Christian in this Town (that I conjecture you may know and deal for) that if you should cast out, on such an account, I am confident infinite Love would be offended with you, and say you have touched the Apple of mine Eye. Inasmuch as you cast out these my Members, you did that which was too like casting out me. And sure you must cast them out upon your grounds, if they were in your Church, because you judge them uncapable of a station and communion with you, and judge yourselves bound to separate from such.

13. You seem to exalt an outward Act even when the heart disclaims it, before a heart that is right with God, without the Act. For if you had one twice or thrice Baptized in your Church that afterward disclaimed it, and owned none but his Infant Baptism, what would you do with this Man? If you would retain him, you would lay more stress on a disclaimed outward Action, than on the Life of Grace. If you would reject him, then it seems you judge not the Baptism and Entrance, which you suppose right, to be enough in Fact and Existence, but you think a belief of its Necessity necessary, and so you put it among the Credenda, and not the Agenda only, when it was never in the Churches Creed. For if it be a necessary Article of Faith, they must perish that reject it.

14. Paul, and other Penmen of the Scripture, telling us of many greater Errors than the thing you oppose, doth not require an avoiding of the Communion of the Erroneous, yea commandeth us to receive them that are weak in the faith, but not to doubtful Disputations, Rom. 14. 10. and dare you reject a strong Believer upon a doubtful Disputation?

15. Search, observe, and judge whether the abundant earnest Precepts for Special Love, and Company, and Endearedness of Saints, as Saints, (I could soon fill a Sheet with pertinent Citations) will possibly consist with your rejecting them from special Communion and Separating from them. Is this the appearance of your honoring them that fear the Lord, Psal. 15. and your Loving the Brethren, and that with a pure heart fervently. Can all Men know you by this to be Christ's Disciples? Communion is but the expression of this special Love, and holy Improvement of each other for God and our mutual Benefit. As he contradicts himself that saith, He loveth God and hateth his Brother, so doth he that saith he loveth his Brother and yet separateth from him, or rejecteth him (and most such on Earth) for an unavoidable infirmity. If you that are strong (or think so) are bound to bear the Infirmities of the weak, then not to Excommunicate them, Rom. 15. 1. Though this Body hath some Parts which we think less honorable, yet must there be no Schism in it, but the Members must have the same care one of another as Suffering, being honored and rejoicing together, 1 Cor. 12. 24, 25, 26. nor must one part say to another, I have no need of thee, nor cut it off from the Communion of the Body. The general command of Love, Company, Familiarity, Edifying, and Admonishing one another, comprehends the Means in which this Communion must be held, or will not be fulfilled in rejecting such Persons.

16. When you are in doubt between two Difficulties, the clearest and greatest Truth should prevail against the less. But much more when on one side there is great weight and no difficulty; and on the other, much difficulty and far less weight; the uncertain smaller Point should give place to the greater, and more certain. But it is of clearest certainty and greatest weight, that we dearly love the Saints as Saints, and use them as Saints, and have Communion with them as Saints: But you are not so sure that you must not reject almost all the Saints on Earth for want of your season of Baptism, nor hath God laid weight by Promise upon such a Duty, or by a Threatning driven you to it, (but contrarily condemned it as a sin).

17. Doth not your Cause plainly bear an Image contrary to that of God? Love is likest him that is Love. Charity covereth infirmities, and thinketh no evil, and shall we find them (and make them) in our Brethren? Christ gathereth, and will you scatter? he reconcileth and uniteth, and will you divide? he justifieth, and will you be he that shall condemn? Even them that are in Christ Jesus? who walk not after the Flesh, but after the Spirit; and all for want of delaying Baptism till your time, when in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth nothing nor uncircumcision, but the New Creature and Faith that worketh by Love. Have you marked how Unity and Love is inculcated in the New Testament, and that as Omnipotency is most eminently engraven upon the Creation, and Wisdom on the Laws of God, so Goodness is most eminently engraven on the Redeemer, and that in this Glass the Father in his Love and Goodness must be known, and hereby the Impress and Image of Love must be made upon our Souls. They that are least for Love and holy Unity, are least like God, and least for him, and most like his Enemy and ours.

18. Christ is both King, Prophet, and Priest, and no one is sincerely related unto him in any of these respects, but is related to him in all: And Ergo, all Christians are to be under his Church-Government and Protection in his Family, as well as under his Teaching. If they are by your own confession Fellow Citizens of the Saints, and of the household of God, do not disfranchise them, nor deny them their Privileges.

19. Will not your Principles lead to narrowness of holy Charity in Communication of worldly Goods, and destroy Christian Communion in this? Those that were in the Apostles Doctrine and Fellowship in breaking of Bread and Prayer, (not through levelling, but charitable Community) had all things as common: sure you will refuse this when you refuse Communion in Sacrament: you will on the same ground think that those few only of your Opinion are to partake of this Special Communication: For the Reason is the same.

20. Contrary to the Spirit and Scope of the Gospel, you lay greater stress upon the very timing of a holy Ceremony, than under the Law was laid upon the being of the Ceremony itself. Women had Communion without Circumcision. The Males in the Wilderness did hold all holy Communion, even in the Passover, without Circumcision. To all this, let me add these few Questions to you.

1. Do you think, in the most humble frame of your Soul, that you have no failing as great as you suppose the mis-timing of our Baptism to be; and would you be rejected for it?

2. Is this norrowness of special loving Communion answerable to the Principles of Universal Redemption and Grace, wherein I suspect you go beyond me?

3. Have you well considered that God's Unity is the first of his Attributes next his Being? The Lord our God is one God. And so the Unity of the Church is next the very Essence of it, so to be regarded and maintained: The Unity cannot be destroyed without destroying the Essence; and therefore many Truths and Duties must be put behind the Churches Unity, when accidentally the use of them is made inconsistent with it.

4. It hath been the common frame of the Church since the Apostles days, till of late, to consist of a mixture: one half baptized at Age, (being converted at Age from Infidelity, and their Baptism before neglected) and the other half that were born of Christian Parents baptized in Infancy: And both sorts lived in Peace and Love: and no Church History, that ever I read, doth give us any the least intimation that ever these two Sorts disagreed hereupon, or accused one another's way, or made it any occasion of a Division. And will you advance Knowledge and Holiness in the end of the World, by advancing Uncharitableness and Division.

5. Bethink you with sobriety, as before the Lord, if you had lived in the Church in the second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth and tenth Century, or lower, in all which (though many were baptized at Age, being not Christians by any Infant Covenant yet) no Writer that ever I saw doth tell us of one Church, or one Pastor, no nor of one Man that was a Catholic Christian, (no nor of one Heretic that I remember) that was against the lawfulness of Infant Baptism; I say, if you had then lived, would you have separated from all the Churches on Earth? What! from the Universal Church in your Communion? or would you have had all these Ages have laid by all instituted Church Order and Worship? The consequences of this would rise so high, that I will not name them to you. Only I would further ask you,

6. If you think their Baptism a Nullity? and consequently the instituted Churches, Ministry, Order, Sacraments, Nullities, that were used in all those Ages (the seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, &c. ) when almost none but such as were baptized in Infancy were Church Members; how far then do you differ from the Seekers that tell us, All these were lost in the Apostasy? 2. And how easily will a Papist trample you in the dirt, and laugh you to scorn, when he puts you to prove Successive Church, and Ordinances, and Ministry? 3. And what advantage give you the Infidels, and our own Remnants of Infidelity, to deny the Head by so far denying the Body?

7. Would you have a Unity, and do you ever expect such a thing or not? If not—If you do, on what terms do you expect it? You can never with the least Encouragement of Reason expect that all should deny Infant Baptism, and come to you. These late years have given you as much advantage as you can well expect, and yet you see the most of the Godly dare not come to you. If therefore you will neither come to them in Judgment, nor yet close in Communion with Christians of different Judgment, what do you but give up Unity as desperate, and fix in your divided State.

8. And will you give the Papist Disputants so much Encouragement, as to confess to them, that among us there is not any hopes of Unity, or loving Christian Church Communion. I have been longer than I intended upon these Reasonings: but it is because I would not neglect you, but someone of them at least may stick upon you, of which success (your lives declaring you so honestly, impartially, and happily disposed to Love and Peace) I make no doubt. And now to your Objections, which should have been my whole Task, but that I would make sure the Issue.